We're being trained to be obedient. (Reply #61)

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Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:50 AM

Gregorian (23,867 posts)

61. We're being trained to be obedient.

Congressmen are rock stars, not servants.

And people are hurting their necks because they're always looking up. I mean that there are so many specialists who are held in high esteem who tell us what is right and wrong. People don't make up their own minds. In the beginning, we knew how to eat the right plant, and not eat the one that would make us ill. Now everyone is at the mercy of those who know better.

I've never bought in. My doctor is just a guy who went to a few more years of school. Not someone I need to be submissive with. My Representative is just another person like me. Even those elusive billionaires are just like me. Actually, I'm having lunch soon with a billionaire, and I've been thinking how fun it will be to know that he's probably just a messed up person who has to compensate for his shortcomings by making a shitload of money. Not someone I should be bowing and scraping to.

I'm literally sickened by what has happened in America in this sense. Everyone in awe of their superiors.

Junk food. Junk news- My new phrase. It did a lot to usher in this stupid era.

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270 replies	Author	Time	Post
What the hell, DU? [View all]	NuclearDem	Jul 2013	OP
Thaaaaank you very much.	sibelian	Jul 2013	#1
I guess there's just no hope with reaching some people.	NuclearDem	Jul 2013	#3
I doubt any of them WOULD openly call themselves liberals.	sibelian	Jul 2013	#25
One of them even bragged to me in a post about being	A Simple Game	Jul 2013	#88
We're justy s-o-o-o inflexible that way.	sulphurdunn	Jul 2013	#163
there are some bots you just can't reach....	think	Jul 2013	#29
Part of the problem is that the word "liberal" is often used interchangeably with	merrily	Jul 2013	#74
Be carefrul of how you express yourself	Plucketeer	Jul 2013	#200
No fucking way	hootinholler	Jul 2013	#259
Yep: Some think it repression when 'the other' does it, 'defending freedom' when one does it.	panzerfaust	Jul 2013	#84
What hapened? Congnitive dissonance. Are we pro-Obama or Pro-Civil Liberties	BlueStreak	Jul 2013	#157
Couldn't agreed more.	AmBlue	Jul 2013	#188
Yeah, things ain't what they use to be here.	southerncrone	Jul 2013	#2
I don't see it.	Crow73	Jul 2013	#118
Not mad.	southerncrone	Jul 2013	#202
Thank you so much	newfie11	Jul 2013	#4
Its changed a lot	warrant46	Jul 2013	#30
if you criticize the government the terrorist have already won	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2013	#5
And the right wing, too! AND the libertarians.	sibelian	Jul 2013	#6
Also, Mitt Romney is going to win. Somehow.	NuclearDem	Jul 2013	#9
Where's the sarcasm tag. You just forced me to exercise idependant thought...	TheMadMonk	Jul 2013	#11
Who wins if the government.....	DeSwiss	Jul 2013	#16
Wow....that is some black or white thinking right there....	dixiegrrrrl	Jul 2013	#41
OMG LMFAO	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#176
The McCarthyism is what really gets me.	Jim Lane	Jul 2013	#7
Got a link to a DUer saying illegal surveillance isn't problematic?	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#15
Neither are they saying it's more important than the issue of Mr. Snowden. :-/ n/t	DeSwiss	Jul 2013	#17
There have been plenty but not going to bother pointing them out to you	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#90
They're special alright.	DeSwiss	Jul 2013	#161
There's been plenty. Try this:	muriel_volestrangler	Jul 2013	#21
He was the first person i thought of when I saw	LuvNewcastle	Jul 2013	#23
It was a whole different world of surveillance under the dick and w	madokie	Jul 2013	#31
I agree. Sad that the OP comes out of "lurking" just to smear fellow DUers. nt	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#58
it's far kinder and gentler under obama..	frylock	Jul 2013	#86
"kinder and gentler under obama" ?	NM_Birder	Jul 2013	#147
I suspect poster is being a little dry. nt	sibelian	Jul 2013	#220
So you claim that James Clapper changed the surveillance programs when Obama became president?	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#169
That post says no such thing.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#53
There is no difference in wiretapping w/o a warrant and wiretapping with a FISA kangaroo warrant. nm	rhett o rick	Jul 2013	#167
You're changing the subject. I asked the poster for a link to back up his assertions.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#194
Right. Got "a link" to someone smearing Snowden AND acknowledging his point?	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#49
I see. You have nothing. nt	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#56
Well, I kind of put the lie to your post, there.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#57
What lie? You did not dispute it at all. nt	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#59
You made an easily demolished specious argument.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#65
Not true. I asked for a link to back up the poster's assertion. Which no one has done.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#68
Gibberish. No one said you smeared DUers.	DirkGently	Jul 2013	#72
Since when is asking for a link to back up an assertion "specious"?	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#87
Try doing a search on 'your phone records don't belong to you'.	sabrina 1	Jul 2013	#235
I see you have nothing either.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#237
+1000	LuvNewcastle	Jul 2013	#70
Thanks, Dirk, I'll adopt your answer to the question SunSeeker posed to me.	Jim Lane	Jul 2013	#69
It is not an "answer." I asked for a link that says what you claim DUers are saying.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#239
It IS an answer if you take the trouble to read what I actually wrote.	Jim Lane	Jul 2013	#244
I did read your response. There was no link to back up your smear of DUers.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#246
You complain about DUers attacking DUers -- which is what you're doing.	Jim Lane	Jul 2013	#250
LOL. So pointing out that you're attacking DUers is "attacking" you?!	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#252
Nicely Done, Dirk.	bvar22	Jul 2013	#122
Here you go.	Union Scribe	Jul 2013	#255
That poster does not say he supports illegal surveillance.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#256
The McCarthyism on display is why I have so many hidden posts.	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#135
There's a very simple test you can use:	7962	Jul 2013	#8
Exactly. n/t	mattclearing	Jul 2013	#12
Exactly!	Maat	Jul 2013	#26
It is PRECISELY that easy. As a Catholic and a Democrat, I support principles, not fallible men.	WinkyDink	Jul 2013	#37
Yup. nt	Nay	Jul 2013	#120
Yep. +1	GoneFishin	Jul 2013	#130
Very shallow response. IMO	Vietnameravet	Jul 2013	#150
What DID they say when bu$h was president, should be the question.	SammyWinstonJack	Jul 2013	#228
Spot On!	micraphone	Jul 2013	#10
You and I are on the same page it seems...	silvershadow	Jul 2013	#13
K&R. Thanks.	JDPriestly	Jul 2013	#14
It's disgusting	whatchamacallit	Jul 2013	#18
I just don't read posts by certain people.	LuvNewcastle	Jul 2013	#19
You still have a few good soldiers (nt)	MichaelMcGuire	Jul 2013	#20
Well said. My feelings exactly. nt	DLevine	Jul 2013	#22
Thank You - Well Said	cantbeserious	Jul 2013	#24
Shocking how some will justify ANYTHING because of the 'D'. eom	SaveOurDemocracy	Jul 2013	#27
it's not the 'D' - it's the 'O'	Skittles	Jul 2013	#108
Actually, I think it's a K...	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#110
I know there are plenty of trolls	Skittles	Jul 2013	#112
I'm sure there's money in it	marions ghost	Jul 2013	#184
That too:	SaveOurDemocracy	Jul 2013	#149
Skinner won't police his site. That's the problem.	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#28
How is the jury system gamed? Honest question.	Demit	Jul 2013	#35
Maybe not gamed, but it is ineffective...	awoke_in_2003	Jul 2013	#92
My bet is that the 50-centers or trolls have dummy accounts set up just to do jury-duties.	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#98
You're talking about the Paulbots.	baldguy	Jul 2013	#171
no doubt...	nebenaube	Jul 2013	#158
Indeed. If 4 people just don't like you your post gets hidden. Doesn't matter if rules were broken.	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#179
Yep...	awoke_in_2003	Jul 2013	#210
It's not.	Posteritatis	Jul 2013	#151
There is a fungus among us, that's for sure. nt	silvershadow	Jul 2013	#102
a black mold - poisoning discussion here! n/t	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#109
How do you know whether someone is a paid shill or not?	Jamaal510	Jul 2013	#178
Yes, and it will continue to get worse	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#204
PLUS A BRAZILLION!	Enthusiast	Jul 2013	#207
+1,000,000 nt	LWolf	Jul 2013	#245
If anyone ever wonders why I love you so much, this post is why n/t	Catherina	Jul 2013	#267
Exactly. The definition is called "Manufacturing Consent"..	2banon	Dec 2013	#268
In fairness to the admins, the paid shills are very good at not crossing the line.	Zorra	Jul 2013	#232
One is only as liberal as their most conservative investment.	raouldukelives	Jul 2013	#32
what a damn great op. spot on. stick around, would you?	cali	Jul 2013	#33
What happened to DU? Follow the money, honey!	Divernan	Jul 2013	#34
Exactly!	AnotherMcIntosh	Jul 2013	#54
The long and short of it	PATRICK	Jul 2013	#36
fanboi's	KG	Jul 2013	#38
If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian	baldguy	Jul 2013	#39
speak of the devil	usGovOwesUs3Trillion	Jul 2013	#44
Bwahaha! And that guy doesn't even realize	truedelphi	Jul 2013	#142
LMAO	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#181
Pffft!	Enthusiast	Jul 2013	#208
that's ironic	grasswire	Jul 2013	#52
Irony has a built in blindness.	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#182
DU is infected with trolls.	ananda	Jul 2013	#40
This message was self-deleted by its author	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2013	#42
K&R!!	felix_numinous	Jul 2013	#43
Obama is the one calling for power to be scaled back. Vote a different Congress in 2014	JaneyVee	Jul 2013	#45
If Obama wants to scale back on power	Maedhros	Jul 2013	#82
Posters like her should be called "Catapulters"	rusty fender	Jul 2013	#111
I know. They definitely receive the same scripts.	Maedhros	Jul 2013	#124
I don't care what he "calls for", as per his camaign rhetoric.	Divernan	Jul 2013	#91
What he "says" and What he "DOES"........	bvar22	Jul 2013	#104
Heckuva job, Clapper.	Nanjing to Seoul	Jul 2013	#117
LOL.... EXACTLY!!!!	bvar22	Jul 2013	#123
Then his rogue justice dept. needs to be leashed, they are going for a cover-up	Dragonfli	Jul 2013	#105
Aw, geeze.	SammyWinstonJack	Jul 2013	#229
Welcome back	usGovOwesUs3Trillion	Jul 2013	#46
knr	forestpath	Jul 2013	#47
Its the BAB, bub!	Stinky The Clown	Jul 2013	#48
+ 1000	MissDeeds	Jul 2013	#146
Why do pro corporatism and Obama lurve go hand in hand? Oh wait...	BrotherIvan	Jul 2013	#50
Wellstone: Stand up. Keep fighting.	grasswire	Jul 2013	#51
Hear, hear.	AmBlue	Jul 2013	#55
yep	marions ghost	Jul 2013	#185
Welcome back	Savannahmann	Jul 2013	#60
We're being trained to be obedient.	Gregorian	Jul 2013	#61
agreed n/t	RainDog	Jul 2013	#62
Welcome back..	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2013	#63
nadinbrzezinski	nineteen50	Jul 2013	#173
When do we get to have our own church?	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#183
You want to try herding this group of cats	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2013	#186
I don't believe they're trolls or paid shills	Ratty	Jul 2013	#64
+1. n/t	NRaleighLiberal	Jul 2013	#95
Having to look--really look--at the implications	marions ghost	Jul 2013	#116
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Jul 2013	#66
No	ProSense	Jul 2013	#67
Self parody is the Best parody, so thanks for your entry!	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2013	#77
I don't take you seriously. n/t	ProSense	Jul 2013	#81
You can't say "supercillious" without "super silly".	Kurovski	Jul 2013	#162
Prosense: "Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal."	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#97
Ouch. The mark THAT leaves is indelible.	bvar22	Jul 2013	#119
I guess that's why	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#121
She has backed herself into a corner where she has to deny that any massive domestic surveillance	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2013	#127
You've been duped. n/t	ProSense	Jul 2013	#199
Well I agree you could have been lying.	Warren Stupidity	Jul 2013	#226
I guess being disingenuous is cool.	ProSense	Jul 2013	#231
"duped"..."disingenuous"	bvar22	Jul 2013	#240
Love it! Pro Sense outed as opposed to Obama's spying on citizens!	Divernan	Jul 2013	#137
Can't quit	ProSense	Jul 2013	#198
So then you DISAGREE with the current surveillance of Americans? That's good to know	sabrina 1	Jul 2013	#241
Nice find!	a2liberal	Jul 2013	#203
PLUS ONE! nt	Enthusiast	Jul 2013	#211
...	Enthusiast	Jul 2013	#212
opps.	SammyWinstonJack	Jul 2013	#230
The Straw Man is Snowden	LiberalLovinLug	Jul 2013	#125
Right!Despite"Years of challenges to NSA"it keeps growing like a malignant cancer	Divernan	Jul 2013	#141
Mahalo ProSense for your post replying so well to this disingenuous,	Cha	Jul 2013	#189
Amazing, isn't it? n/t	ProSense	Jul 2013	#201
Irony up the wazoo in this post. nt	Mojorabbit	Jan 2014	#269
Meta	treestar	Jul 2013	#71
Let me guess. When you last followed DU closely, Bush was in office.	merrily	Jul 2013	#73
K & f'ing R	N_E_1 for Tennis	Jul 2013	#75
K&R	MotherPetrie	Jul 2013	#76
Agreed. nt	Zorra	Jul 2013	#78
Well said!	BlueJac	Jul 2013	#79
Hear Hear	snagglepuss	Jul 2013	#80
Liberals still are in favor of rights	Doctor_J	Jul 2013	#83
"...the surrender to the powerful simply because they have a (D)...	RevStPatrick	Jul 2013	#85
This is the voice of the DU I joined in 2005	Not Sure	Jul 2013	#89
Hear, hear. n/t	Alkene	Jul 2013	#144
Personally I think we need a new progressive DU.	go west young man	Jul 2013	#93
Perfectly stated - thanks for putting down what I've been feeling for weeks. K and R.	NRaleighLiberal	Jul 2013	#94
you have to use the ignore feature..	xiamiam	Jul 2013	#96
Patience, He'll Be Gone	otohara	Jul 2013	#99
What's happened to DU?	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#100
Beautifully put, woo me with science:	Z_I_Peevey	Jul 2013	#153
Recovering Republicans	Warpy	Jul 2013	#101
+1000000	a2liberal	Jul 2013	#103
Thank you. I fully agree.	richmwill	Jul 2013	#106
THANK YOU	Skittles	Jul 2013	#107
I responded to this post earlier this morning	zeeland	Jul 2013	#113
Poster "Violet Crumble" posted that the thread was locked.	Divernan	Jul 2013	#132
What a shitty thing to do.	zeeland	Jul 2013	#139
It was exactly what Scarletwoman said...	Violet_Crumble	Jul 2013	#197
No problem. It's just the way the timing worked out.	zeeland	Jul 2013	#215
She is a host of GD. What probably happened was that some hosts had voted to lock this,	scarletwoman	Jul 2013	#174
What kind of bullshit is this. You want group think, then du isn't for you	still_one	Jul 2013	#114
it's not group think	Skittles	Jul 2013	#138
A big ol K + R!	BobbyBoring	Jul 2013	#115
Proud DURec!	bvar22	Jul 2013	#126
Checks & Balances are what They've deleted ....	orpupilofnature57	Jul 2013	#128
most who joined them were paid to do so and are only here for the check	yurbud	Jul 2013	#129
I also suspect multiple avatars for some individuals, since you mentioned	GoneFishin	Jul 2013	#131
When the Snowden story broke, they came out with entire sock drawers! n/t	backscatter712	Jul 2013	#134
the easy way to tell their real numbers or close to it is post a poll	yurbud	Jul 2013	#136
There is a system in place, though. Expect the numbers to rise.	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#159
The ability to tell	nineteen50	Jul 2013	#133
Well put-together OP.	Kurovski	Jul 2013	#140
K & R	ctsnowman	Jul 2013	#143
Hitler had his followers, too.	blkmusclmachine	Jul 2013	#145
Huge K&R	MissDeeds	Jul 2013	#148
They're republicans playing a democrat on a message board	Corruption Inc	Jul 2013	#152
Gives me a better understanding of how we got here	Herlong	Jul 2013	#154
What a great post.	NorthCarolina	Jul 2013	#155
You might be on to something. Actually, you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.	indepat	Jul 2013	#156
Hear, hear,. very well said. Nothing can be good without criticism.	Civilization2	Jul 2013	#160
Trolls, right wingers	sulphurdunn	Jul 2013	#164
You're kidding, Right?	farmbo	Jul 2013	#165
He's not kidding, even though no one can back up his assertions about DUers with any links.	SunSeeker	Jul 2013	#253
the worst part of it all is, THEY FEEL THE SAME	MisterP	Jul 2013	#166
I'm Also One Who Left Here & Just Recently	ChiciB1	Jul 2013	#168
kr	Norrin Radd	Jul 2013	#170
I have coined a new term for some of my "Democratic" friends.	airplaneman	Jul 2013	#172
If Snowden was an unabashed liberal -- and a Republican was in the White House - would you support	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2013	#180
I think I would reserve judgment based on what this guy actually did bring to light.	airplaneman	Jul 2013	#214
My country right or wrong” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying...	L0oniX	Jul 2013	#175
Welcome back.	LWolf	Jul 2013	#177
Just wanted to point out that Glenn Greenwald is NOT a libertarian...	pacalo	Jul 2013	#187
Thanks Pacalo, Greenwald has always supported SS and other Liberal policies. For a	sabrina 1	Jul 2013	#216
This message was self-deleted by its author	pacalo	Jul 2013	#217
I pointed that out because I've seen that labeling a number of times & it's factually wrong.	pacalo	Jul 2013	#218
Welcome back, we need you.	Curmudgeoness	Jul 2013	#190
Very well done.	gateley	Jul 2013	#191
Sorry a bit of common sense and pragmatism doesnt fit your version of a progressive/liberal.	DCBob	Jul 2013	#192
"Common sense" and "pragmatism"	sibelian	Jul 2013	#221
My point is many of you are completey out of touch with reality.	DCBob	Jul 2013	#222
Another meaningless aphorism.	sibelian	Jul 2013	#223
I guess for some "reality" is an elusive concept.	DCBob	Jul 2013	#225
So it would appear.	sibelian	Jul 2013	#227
Is that you, Chuckles?	LWolf	Jul 2013	#248
Excellent.	woo me with science	Jul 2013	#263
You can still be a progressive	brush	Jul 2013	#193
Absolutely!	Lonr	Jul 2013	#195
I proudly give you your 300th rec	AAO	Jul 2013	#196
Kick. (nt)	Kurovski	Jul 2013	#205
This message was self-deleted by its author	ohheckyeah	Jul 2013	#206
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Jul 2013	#209
There is no longer a represented left wing in this country	Vanje	Jul 2013	#213
Some excellent points in your reply	pecwae	Jul 2013	#219
Maybe that's the goal? n/t	sabrina 1	Jul 2013	#233
If that's so	pecwae	Jul 2013	#234
Well, there's no logic to defending Bush policies on a Democratic forum other	sabrina 1	Jul 2013	#236
same goal as Sen. Cranston had in '78 and the DLC had in '88: to move the party	MisterP	Jul 2013	#238
How hopeless	pecwae	Jul 2013	#243
not really: it just needs organization and willingness to fight for goals and principles	MisterP	Jul 2013	#247
I hate to gum up this	pecwae	Jul 2013	#258
alas, this is all stuff I've learned over the decade--maybe I'll make a nice, magisterial OP 1 day	MisterP	Jul 2013	#264
Yes. nt	LWolf	Jul 2013	#249
Oh yeah!	SammyWinstonJack	Jul 2013	#224
Another thing you might be noticing	nolabels	Jul 2013	#242
Props!	JackRiddler	Jul 2013	#251
here!! here!!	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2013	#254
341 recs. You are not alone. There are a lot of us who feel this way.	liberal_at_heart	Jul 2013	#257
k & r	whttevrr	Jul 2013	#260
Your memory is selective.	Orsino	Jul 2013	#261
kick	Zorra	Jul 2013	#262
DURec	leftstreet	Jul 2013	#265
Rec'd before but now it's time for a kick n/t	Catherina	Jul 2013	#266
K&R for the very sad, hard truth. nt	DLevine	Jan 2014	#270

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