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In reply to the discussion: BREAKING: Venezuelan President Maduro WILL GIVE political asylum to Snowden (updated) [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)281. We have options, they don't. China will not cut off their nose to spite their own face.
China fucks themselves totally if they strong arm their largest market. VZ is not a player in that regard. That's Economics 101.
They pretty much sell one doggone thing, and production of that one doggone thing is down, dropping every year because they don't maintain the equipment needed to extract it, and the refineries that have the capability to refine it are either broken...or mostly in the US.
The Chinese might be willing to help them out -- but they're not gonna do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
They don't like that "colonial" stuff in VZ?
Meet the new boss...worse than the old boss!
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BREAKING: Venezuelan President Maduro WILL GIVE political asylum to Snowden (updated) [View all]
Catherina
Jul 2013
OP
I think they would be too. If Russia wants to be gone with him I think they would
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#167
VZ needs to issue him a safe conduct pass, like Ecuador did to get him out of Hong Kong.
MADem
Jul 2013
#188
If they were doing it right, they'd need the legislature to vote on it, I would imagine.
MADem
Jul 2013
#275
You don't need to find a copy of the actual law--that's well sourced info in and of itself.
MADem
Jul 2013
#311
Wasn't there an issue with Snowden not having traveling papers, passport, etc.?
99th_Monkey
Jul 2013
#316
Cleita.... What if he's already in Venezuela? Just a desperate thought lol. n/t
Catherina
Jul 2013
#4
At this point with all this cloak and dagger stuff, anything could have happened.
Cleita
Jul 2013
#6
i think coup de grace "i mispelled it" makes more sense in the context of your post
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#88
I would pay to know how trolled US about Snowden's presence on Morales' plane. Whoever it was they
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#36
Oh, yeah, but I wonder if they had the imagination to think of it and then pull it off.
Cleita
Jul 2013
#116
I would put my money on Putin and FSB. I bet he is having good time laughing his arse off over
idwiyo
Jul 2013
#150
I think they've already gone after Spain's PM with some corruption accusations, or maybe it was
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#222
Well this is interesting. The little neocon offering Morales coffee, What are his ties to Otto Reich
Catherina
Jul 2013
#280
Snowden's leaks are exposing the international 1%. Endangering their profits
Catherina
Jul 2013
#293
So maybe at this summit, there was a meeting in a back room with Putin, Maduro and
Cleita
Jul 2013
#171
And he still has a firm grip on security/intelligence services in Mutha Russia. nt
MADem
Jul 2013
#199
you guys are so smart..i leave for a few hours and you figure it out..lol, nt.
xiamiam
Jul 2013
#230
I just thought of something. What if the calls claiming he was on Morales' plane were a diversion?
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#221
good point. think how bad it would be to live in a country so indebted to China.
piratefish08
Jul 2013
#250
We have options, they don't. China will not cut off their nose to spite their own face.
MADem
Jul 2013
#281
Saudi Arabia can no longer depend on oil revenue to handle the growing population
railsback
Jul 2013
#132
Not so much, now--we've diversified. All that fracking. But we do REFINE their oil.
MADem
Jul 2013
#198
i don't think either are likely; him making it there or us not buying any more of their oil if he
arely staircase
Jul 2013
#94
That would be a blockade which would be tantamount to a war. Do you really think that
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#92
Fine. Let us stop buying oil form them and see the price of gas at the pump shoot up.
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#64
Not really. Take away one of our major oil suppliers and see what happens. n/t
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#118
They are not a big part of our oil picture at all, and their contribution gets smaller every year.
MADem
Jul 2013
#282
We get about 5.9% of our oil from them. That might not sound like much but the way oil markets
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#306
We'd get more from Canada if we had the transshipment capability and refining capacity.
MADem
Jul 2013
#308
From Moscow? I think you need to find a different map-reading instructor. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#32
To reach them, he'd have to leave the transit lounge and formally enter Russia. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#41
I am sorry but I am ignorant on international law on this case. Has he not already entered Russia?
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#43
My understanding is that the transit lounge is a legalistic limbo and that he's "not"
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#50
I am sure they can figure something out thast does not require them to go over US airspace.
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#54
So he is sleeping in the airport then. I should have been paying more attention.
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#71
Russia has already said that if he is transported in an embassy vehicle that vehicle would
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#105
He had to return home and consult with other members of his government first. n/t
totodeinhere
Jul 2013
#111
The White House hadn't forced down the plane of a head of state at that time
MannyGoldstein
Jul 2013
#139
true, but then you would have the "I hate Snowden!" crowd lobbying to engage the Russian plane
quinnox
Jul 2013
#45
HooptieWagon, I want to know everything lol! When he gets there, if he's there already etc n/t
Catherina
Jul 2013
#131
"See, you know how to take the reservation, but you don't know how to HOLD the reservation..."
alcibiades_mystery
Jul 2013
#62
President of Venezuela yesterday: "Whoever picks a fight with Bolivia, picks a fight with Venezuela"
allin99
Jul 2013
#75
Bravo! Maybe Venezuela can give him citizenship and a passport like they attempted in Iceland.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#87
I don't think a valid passport will stop the U.S. from trying to nab him en route. n/t
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#93
I don't know. The sledehammer style has landed them in Der Shitstorm as the Germans call it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#109
And there are probably some advisors claiming that the shitstorm couldn't get any worse,
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#115
Probably the same ones who advised him that it wouldn't occur at all.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#125
I think they will try to intercept him...there are probabely a few CIA agents staying in
HipChick
Jul 2013
#110
Are they wearing blond wigs? Will Putin release them after they're arrested?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jul 2013
#144
Just when you thought surveillance state lovers couldn't sink any lower. PLONK n/t
Catherina
Jul 2013
#120
you honestly believe that this whole thing is simply a plot to make obama look bad?
frylock
Jul 2013
#229
I think the goal for some around here is to supress ANY discussion of PRISM,
NorthCarolina
Jul 2013
#317
No, I look at my experience in Cuba, there are many similarities and I experienced
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#244
Cuba: traditional 1960's vintage communist state. Venezuela: democratic socialists republic.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2013
#290
The ignorant fantasies from the bigoted, close minded, conservative DUers above...
bvar22
Jul 2013
#274
Venezuela and Cuba 2 peas in a pod. Minit in cuba taps calls. You want authoritarian?
flamingdem
Jul 2013
#187
"All the bashers can suck my dick!" Is that what passes for discussion on DU now? nt
SunSeeker
Jul 2013
#314
There are times I love what my Goverment does, then they are times I love when other countries
Nanjing to Seoul
Jul 2013
#209
Still wont faze Snowden's cult following as he hops from one authoritarian country to the next...
Galraedia
Jul 2013
#234
Just updated the OP with a link to the immedate extradition request and the extradition treaty
Catherina
Jul 2013
#302