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Denzil_DC

(7,188 posts)
64. "looking for proof other than wild accusations"
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jul 2013

He point-blank refused to look for proof in 2008, and refused to believe there was anything to "continue"! He dismissed it out of hand, instead choosing to get snotty with Giordano, who's no saint but knows his stuff in this field and has had plenty of skin in the game, as the email exchange above shows (its as well to read the whole article). If only he'd learned to use Google ...

Explains "Obama's involvement"? Where does that knowledge-based conclusion come from? randome Jul 2013 #1
Anyone? Is this thing on? randome Jul 2013 #11
Tune in to BTB--the "Blame the Brother" channel.... MADem Jul 2013 #103
Is that an actual thing? randome Jul 2013 #116
It might as well be! MADem Jul 2013 #127
That's a cheap shot pscot Jul 2013 #125
I call 'em as I see 'em. MADem Jul 2013 #126
Stealing from thieves is a moral grey area. mattclearing Jul 2013 #130
And which court has ruled that it wasn't their info? MADem Jul 2013 #136
What are you talking about? mattclearing Jul 2013 #138
Maybe you want to go back and get the full sense of the thread. nt MADem Jul 2013 #139
I was speaking generally. mattclearing Jul 2013 #148
Well...I was responding to your explicit assertion that the information did not belong to NSA. MADem Jul 2013 #149
I didn't accept your premise. mattclearing Jul 2013 #150
I am not a member of the Supreme Court. MADem Jul 2013 #151
I never said the law was unconstitutional. mattclearing Jul 2013 #152
Well, the courts are going to decide and that decision will stick MADem Jul 2013 #158
Don't ask, I have read the thread and have no idea what s/he is talking about either, but sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #156
True. mattclearing Jul 2013 #157
Nice thoughtful post. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #161
Thanks. mattclearing Jul 2013 #174
You don't think there'd be some role reversal pscot Jul 2013 #132
That's essentially what I said. MADem Jul 2013 #134
Obama is the Head of State of the United States of America RC Jul 2013 #22
Perhaps because the NSA is adhering to the law and restrictions? randome Jul 2013 #42
And I will continue to to maintain they are in violation of the 4th, among other Amendments RC Jul 2013 #50
+1 silvershadow Jul 2013 #66
The Supreme Court is the final arbiter on issues of constitutionality. MADem Jul 2013 #143
And you don't see a problem with the FISA court being appointed by Roberts? RC Jul 2013 #146
That does not make anything illegal Progressive dog Jul 2013 #167
Just because it is "legal", you approve? RC Jul 2013 #168
No I do not approve of what Snowden, Greenwald Progressive dog Jul 2013 #169
I was talking about our government. RC Jul 2013 #170
I wasn't talking about our government, I was Progressive dog Jul 2013 #171
I'll stop wasting my time here. RC Jul 2013 #172
Coming totalitarianism Progressive dog Jul 2013 #173
They are a rogue agency because they are operating outside the Constitution. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67
It is simple enough. But the courts interpret the Constitution. randome Jul 2013 #72
The courts have not yet decided a case involving this massive collection of metadata. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #78
And if it is changed, I'm good with it. randome Jul 2013 #81
Sorry. I should have read the rest of the posts. Please disregard think Jul 2013 #131
I must say, that IS good timing! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #2
I don't get this. Collecting data on that many countries and Autumn Jul 2013 #3
They are looking for resistance to the neo liberal order nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #6
Correct, Nadin... This can't possibly be about terrorism. My pick is, as you've said, "resistance to truth2power Jul 2013 #166
NSA does a lot more than look for terrorists. randome Jul 2013 #7
I wonder if there have been any success stories on catching Autumn Jul 2013 #12
You wont' bother to look because in your narrative the USA is only evil flamingdem Jul 2013 #13
Well that's your opinion. Try reading. I never said Autumn Jul 2013 #18
Bush had the same tools at his command. Including the metadata. randome Jul 2013 #21
That's one of the things we should get regular reports about. randome Jul 2013 #15
I agree with you on that. Autumn Jul 2013 #19
And Wall Street fraudsters®..................nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #162
To give inside info to their corporate masters The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're right.... nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #26
I tend to think you are right. Autumn Jul 2013 #140
What Nadin and StraightStory said + industrial espionage, intellectual property theft Catherina Jul 2013 #10
+100000 woo me with science Jul 2013 #16
The possibilities for blackmail are endless. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #47
Insufficient checks and balances......nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #163
Right. Autumn Jul 2013 #142
Yes, exactly -- I become more convinced of this every day magellan Jul 2013 #159
The big picture............nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #164
"All this can't be just looking for terrorists," dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #28
The terrorists that they fear and can't control. Autumn Jul 2013 #141
You got it. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #144
The NSA doesn't only cover terrorism. Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #31
I can understand the cyberwarfare part to protect Americans Autumn Jul 2013 #48
Once again, I'm betting the Brazilian government already knows this. stevenleser Jul 2013 #4
Hey! Wanna talk about national security surveillance, the Fourth Amendment, and SPECIFICITY? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #20
Thats ALL we've been talking about VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #29
The OP's not about any of that. It's about the US spying on Brazil. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #155
Sorry ignored, I cannot read your response. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #24
LOL. wow. nt RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #27
Not that big of a deal really. I'm sure a lot of ignore list additions have happened in the last stevenleser Jul 2013 #41
Had a boss that ignored everyone but his yes men. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #56
plenty of feedback for these folks in their echo chamber frylock Jul 2013 #68
LOL, see my #85, I don't ignore people who have real arguments to make. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #88
See my #85. I dont ignore people who actually have real arguments to make. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #86
Who decides if it is real or not? nineteen50 Jul 2013 #91
Their arguments decide. Do they have facts or are they emoting? How do they react when stevenleser Jul 2013 #92
I get frustrated at times but eventually the right argument finds its way nineteen50 Jul 2013 #100
Well, let's look at an example. stevenleser Jul 2013 #108
It is so much better to just let people expose their stupidity nineteen50 Jul 2013 #111
Well, you can see their continued responses below. They're doubling down. stevenleser Jul 2013 #113
And of all people to dump on, at least you are trying to make a difference. randome Jul 2013 #117
Like you ever listen to anyone... 99Forever Jul 2013 #84
Unlike you, I have proof when I say something. I can easily disprove what you just said. stevenleser Jul 2013 #85
Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #87
Too late, the proof of how you operate is there for everyone to see. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #89
Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2013 #90
LMAO! stevenleser Jul 2013 #93
It has been said... 99Forever Jul 2013 #95
I did not know that. But I am not surprised that you do. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #97
Clearly, there are an infinite number... 99Forever Jul 2013 #99
Plus he can never engage with any facts or actually debate Rex Jul 2013 #102
LOL, you know the rules! Make that accusation, get a video! stevenleser Jul 2013 #118
'I've only added people who refuse to engage on the facts.' Rex Jul 2013 #101
I know, I find it funny that so many refuse to engage on the facts too!!!! LMAO!!!!! stevenleser Jul 2013 #105
I found that whole post to be somewhat ironic.. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #135
I just might make that my sig line... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #30
LOL cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #32
I would be very interested in Snowden's "dump" on Venezuela flamingdem Jul 2013 #37
Uhh...no thanks. I have little interest in looking at someone else's dump. randome Jul 2013 #43
ha ha that word has a schtink to it! flamingdem Jul 2013 #44
"Oh, look! It's the hilarmoose!" randome Jul 2013 #69
Ist dat die Schwiss food? flamingdem Jul 2013 #124
Thats what you all have been saying sikofit3 Jul 2013 #57
Of course, but now the Brazilian people know, too usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #60
So nebenaube Jul 2013 #5
Greenwald lives in Brazil....Brazilian companies in partnership..this is why it is a trap HipChick Jul 2013 #8
Not sure I understand flamingdem Jul 2013 #14
Don't go, Eddie! randome Jul 2013 #17
Eduardo cuidado es una trampa! flamingdem Jul 2013 #23
Good old Admiral Ackbar. His one great line. longship Jul 2013 #185
Damn you, Catherina, you just sent the Snowden-bashers back to the drawing board! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #25
It doesn't take as long as you think. randome Jul 2013 #38
Take me to your leader. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #65
I can't tell lol. Can't see them. And it's a long weekend too! Catherina Jul 2013 #74
Screw Brazil, I want to hear about the NSA and CARLOS SLIM! kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #33
One hopes the USA knows whatthehell is going on in Mexico flamingdem Jul 2013 #35
I have to disagree Rstrstx Jul 2013 #122
Thanks, it sounds like you're living this story flamingdem Jul 2013 #123
Maybe in the interior of Mexico, but not here on the border Rstrstx Jul 2013 #154
You can bet on it. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #39
that was an amusingly well written post. I commend you! KittyWampus Jul 2013 #128
The Brazilians hate us for our freedom?..democracy?...privacy?...well, something. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #34
But they love our war on drugs nineteen50 Jul 2013 #63
Just a side bet..... wandy Jul 2013 #36
"Is this another corporate war that we are looking at here?" HiPointDem Jul 2013 #40
Any proof Greenwald and or Snowden are not just making shit up? krawhitham Jul 2013 #45
the proof is in watching neo-liberals shitting their pants over these disclosures frylock Jul 2013 #70
Yes it is very funny watching them flop all over themselves Rex Jul 2013 #106
The link just leads to a news article -- there are no new Snowden documents published FarCenter Jul 2013 #46
But it MIGHT be damaging to Obama! That's the point! randome Jul 2013 #53
Correct.... jaysunb Jul 2013 #62
Thank You For Your Efforts cantbeserious Jul 2013 #49
You're welcome Catherina Jul 2013 #75
Back in 2008, Greenwald refused to believe Al Giordano about all this Denzil_DC Jul 2013 #51
Very interesting. randome Jul 2013 #54
I have my asbestos underoos on! Denzil_DC Jul 2013 #55
So in eight years. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #58
"looking for proof other than wild accusations" Denzil_DC Jul 2013 #64
You don't know that Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #80
By the same token, you can't prove that he followed it up. Denzil_DC Jul 2013 #110
Which is why I wrote, "or not" Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #119
"Neither of us knows one way or another" Denzil_DC Jul 2013 #121
Just learned something. Interesting. Thanks KittyWampus Jul 2013 #129
Holy moly. How very, very innnnnnteresting. Number23 Jul 2013 #137
American Telecommunications/Internet companies are not dead. bigbadR Jul 2013 #52
Everything that is not encrypted by systems under your organization's control is assumed insecure FarCenter Jul 2013 #61
Is there a link to the NSA documents? bunnies Jul 2013 #59
A new report states that the Feds scan all mail as it travels thru the Post Office. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #71
It helped them locate the ricin and asbestos mailers. randome Jul 2013 #76
Your efforts to engage on this ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #109
Thanks. randome Jul 2013 #115
Doesn't Greenwald work for the Guardian? Raine1967 Jul 2013 #73
He writes for several publications Catherina Jul 2013 #77
I'm not trying to be obtuse here; I'm going to ask again: What information is new? Raine1967 Jul 2013 #82
This article is in Portuguese, in a Brazilian paper, for a Brazilian Audience Catherina Jul 2013 #94
Thank you. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #104
I'll bear your helpful comments in mind for the next title :) n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #107
Huh? Raine1967 Jul 2013 #112
? Catherina Jul 2013 #145
This is still not proof. wtmusic Jul 2013 #79
Lol! Catherina Jul 2013 #83
Everyone every where should realize Big Brother is just trying to keep us and all indepat Jul 2013 #96
As Bill Hicks would have said, "Go back to bed, America!" backscatter712 Jul 2013 #98
Bill Hicks said it so much better than I. We should all go back to our mundane existences, sousing indepat Jul 2013 #120
Oh brother... MILLIONS of Brazillian emails??? Kahuna Jul 2013 #114
Unfortunately it highly likely is true Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #133
No, it was brazillions Fumesucker Jul 2013 #147
So? Our spying agency is spying on Brazil, and has been doing so for THREE DECADES. pnwmom Jul 2013 #153
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #160
I think we are seeing something historical here suffragette Jul 2013 #165
Yes! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #178
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #175
Millions of Brazilians Quantess Jul 2013 #176
Brazil requests clarification from the US.... allin99 Jul 2013 #177
Thanks you! Was just coming to post something similar n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #179
Brazil wants answers on US surveillance |US complains Snowden messed up "the importance of trust". Catherina Jul 2013 #180
omg, lol @ "the importance of trust", lmao!!!.... allin99 Jul 2013 #181
I know! Do these people even hear themselves lol? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #182
double speak in effect, kinda like: no wheeling and dealing... allin99 Jul 2013 #183
Updated OP with graphics. Thanks Cleita! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #184
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