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flamingdem

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Mon Jul 15, 2013, 12:56 PM Jul 2013

Snowden’s Endgame - Game theory suggests how his odyssey might end. [View all]

* I think that Snowden could leave via private jet and that $ is his obstacle. However, there is a deadline of perhaps a couple of weeks with preparations for the summit in Moscow next September. This factor will limit his choices.

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The players left are Russia, the United States, its allies, and the airlines. For Russia, Snowden has gone from being a nice poke at the United States to a nuisance. Barack Obama has already signaled that the United States does not consider Snowden a spy, which commits himself to refusing any sort of swap. As a result, for once Vladimir Putin is in damage control mode. He needs to get Snowden out of Russia before Obama arrives for September’s G20 summit, except in the unlikely scenario that Snowden can offer him something that makes the embarrassment worthwhile.

Russia needs Snowden to leave, but the other players are stopping him. No airline wants the potential disruption to its service implied by having Snowden on board. His is one ticket they simply don’t want to sell. So if Snowden goes anywhere, it will probably be on a charter or private flight.

But even if someone will pay for Snowden’s plane – and there are plenty of candidates – American allies on Russia’s borders won’t let Snowden fly through their airspace. American power still means something in the world, and many countries would be happy to scramble a few fighters to bring Snowden’s plane back to earth. Even in Paris, there aren’t many people protesting to open up French skies.

The positions of the airlines and American allies are costing them almost nothing and are unlikely to change anytime soon, so Russia is in a quandary. I suspect that the Russians will allow Snowden to be captured in a way that saves face and leaves them looking blameless. Perhaps he will get on a plane with a supposedly safe flight path that suddenly changes. Or maybe an obscure regulation will come to light that ends his stay at the airport and leads to extradition. Whatever happens, this game is unlikely to end with Snowden as the winner – unless he thinks he’s won already.



Putin reiterated this today:

“There are certain relations between Russia and United States, we would not like you to harm them with your activity,” Putin quoted dialogue between Russian officials and Snowden.

http://bigthink.com/econ201/snowdens-endgame

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When Snowden's back is against the wall, he will say he wants to spend more time with his family. randome Jul 2013 #1
I thought this was the reason for the delay flamingdem Jul 2013 #3
There doesn't need to be a peep. Snowden can say whatever he wants. randome Jul 2013 #5
Something tells me Correa is sick of Assange flamingdem Jul 2013 #7
Perhaps he'll fly somewhere on a Boeing Dreamliner dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #2
Yikes! Or an Asiana flight? No way! randome Jul 2013 #4
Eventually he'll be granted amnesty like the draft resistors who fled. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #6
He's not getting his passport back or amnesty flamingdem Jul 2013 #8
That's what they said about the "traitors" in Canada. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #9
"the regime" snooper2 Jul 2013 #22
No - he wont leftynyc Jul 2013 #31
They said the same thing about the draft resistors in Canada. They were the "traitors" then. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #32
I just spent two weeks leftynyc Jul 2013 #34
Draft dodgers? But, however long, they did "give it". Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #35
You seem to think leftynyc Jul 2013 #46
mahalo for your perspective from visiting Cha Jul 2013 #44
I had to look up maholo leftynyc Jul 2013 #47
That's good. Because I don't Cha Jul 2013 #50
this is what I have suspected all along: arely staircase Jul 2013 #10
If Snowden agrees with your suspicions flamingdem Jul 2013 #13
the scenario I described has to be weighing on his mind. arely staircase Jul 2013 #15
That's the best scenario for the US and Putin flamingdem Jul 2013 #16
I am sure Putin can have an Aeroflot pilot do whatever he asks arely staircase Jul 2013 #23
I've no doubt that Russia would like to end this with some plausible deniability, winter is coming Jul 2013 #11
Good point. Escape would be the grey area of allowing his movement flamingdem Jul 2013 #14
The message is clear. Toe the authoritarian state line or suffer. And the authoritarian state is rhett o rick Jul 2013 #12
Putin reiterated this today................. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #17
So, when are we going to start pressuring our congress critters to clip the NSA's wings......... wandy Jul 2013 #18
Let's hear an official statement that TIA does not exist, if nothing else. randome Jul 2013 #19
Spot on. This is what we should be raising hell about. nt wandy Jul 2013 #20
+1 riqster Jul 2013 #28
Russia wants him out soon, but is not willing to turn him over to the US. morningfog Jul 2013 #21
That is true but I would add arely staircase Jul 2013 #24
Sorry, looks like too little, too late! :) Pholus Jul 2013 #26
I see nothing in that story that makes his capture less likely arely staircase Jul 2013 #27
Please keep your eye on the Snowden! Pholus Jul 2013 #30
^That's^ a good article on the new legal actions against the NSA Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #48
If it were possible to put Snowden on a private jet, I think Putin would Cleita Jul 2013 #25
Money is no problem for him; he has information to sell. AlinPA Jul 2013 #29
Interesting thought. He might be cutting a deal flamingdem Jul 2013 #33
The transit lounge at Moscow Airport is the best option for US and Russia FarCenter Jul 2013 #36
I see the reality of what you're saying flamingdem Jul 2013 #37
Obama can refuse to meet with Putin, but can he refuse to go to St. Petersburg G20 Summit? FarCenter Jul 2013 #38
I see what you mean, wonder if it's true Obama said he wouldn't go flamingdem Jul 2013 #39
But Snowden has temporary asylum in the transit area FarCenter Jul 2013 #40
So they'll wait until he can't take it, or something else gives flamingdem Jul 2013 #41
And actually, the US opposed temporary asylum, not his staying in the terminal FarCenter Jul 2013 #42
Good catch. I hadn't read that the call was related to the request flamingdem Jul 2013 #43
Snowden will probably be in the transit area through the G20 meeting. FarCenter Jul 2013 #45
Interesting: "the United States does not consider Snowden a spy" Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #49
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