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MellowDem

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45. I think the vast majority of people, male or female...
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:11 PM
Feb 2012

who identify as feminist would fail this purity test.

Unless people educate themselves about gender inequality to a substantial degree, they won't even recognize a lot of the consequences of it. And most people are not very well educated in identifying how the concept of gender impacts many aspects of their lives, much less identifying the privileges/disadvantages that go along with it. Or they are vaguely aware of the most obvious ways it impacts their lives, but they just don't care to think about it, much less do anything about it.

I think women are somewhat more motivated, given they face more disadvantages generally, but even among women in the US there is widespread apathy in my opinion. I think there is a growing interest from men as they face certain disadvantages, but unfortunately some feminist women are threatened by this interest and seek to block feminist men from a movement that some see as exclusively about females. The term "feminism" doesn't help in this regard.

If you can get a person to question and look into the privileges they have of any sort, that's the greatest challenge and best start. In that sense, the idea that the US is a perfect meritocracy is one of the biggest obstacles to recognizing privilege of any sort, much less the social constructs from which they stem.

"He insists that feminism must make equal time for men and men’s issues." varelse Feb 2012 #1
Yes boston bean Feb 2012 #5
What's wrong with being a good person? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #15
Yes, we should be encouraging everyone to be that. Zalatix Feb 2012 #21
We should learn to stand up decisively for our best interests first BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #34
+1 Scuba Feb 2012 #42
Women are not the only ones who need to make room for other people's issues. EVERYONE needs to. Zalatix Feb 2012 #20
Feminism is about equality for women, and feminists believe in equality for everyone. boston bean Feb 2012 #33
What if we don't hate our gender role? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #41
+infinity redqueen Feb 2012 #9
yes. this is only worthwhile if feminism is about equality. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #26
Again, feminism is about equality for women. Feminists believe in equality for everyone. nt boston bean Feb 2012 #35
You can't simultaneously believe in equality lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #43
I don't really want to femrap Feb 2012 #48
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #2
Huh? Vanje Feb 2012 #3
Admins, maybe? nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #4
A link would be of interest. nt Vanje Feb 2012 #6
Not even gonna touch that. ;) nt justiceischeap Feb 2012 #10
Makes sense to me and I wouldn't call you a man-hater for insisting that women Bonobo Feb 2012 #7
That is an interesting take Bonobo boston bean Feb 2012 #12
It's a great article Irishonly Feb 2012 #8
I thought it was a good article too. boston bean Feb 2012 #11
Of course it is. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #14
Faux Feminist Men and Other Figments (Real and Imagined) redqueen Feb 2012 #13
I vote for the last paragraph Remember Me Feb 2012 #52
Ohhhh, good luck. nt BlueIris Feb 2012 #16
I think "mansplains" is a broad-brushed, gender-based slur and has no place on DU. nt Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #17
Are you implying it has a negative "tone"? boppers Feb 2012 #22
My *opinion* is that it's a broad-brush, gender based slur, which should have no place on DU. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #27
What exactly does "mansplains" mean? Number23 Feb 2012 #47
oh, so you want me to mansplain it to ya? Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #49
On second thought, maybe someone a bit more coherent and less hysterical Number23 Feb 2012 #50
no prob. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #51
Is there anything odd about not considering myself a feminist in the slightest? jsmirman Feb 2012 #18
This seems fine to me. Lunacee2012 Feb 2012 #19
Out of curiosity, what does "feminist" mean to you? boppers Feb 2012 #23
I think that's part of what I was getting at jsmirman Feb 2012 #24
Oh, and I'm still positive jsmirman Feb 2012 #25
LOL -- in that case I like you even more Remember Me Feb 2012 #53
You sound like a feminist to me lunatica Feb 2012 #30
I wouldn't ever apply the term "feminist" MineralMan Feb 2012 #28
K & R! lonestarnot Feb 2012 #29
STFU Fauxminists... ha, nice. redqueen Feb 2012 #31
goood find! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #36
I am a little uncomfortable with the biological specificity in her writing. RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #32
The subtitle ("Fauxminism and Men") implies to me redqueen Feb 2012 #37
As I tread the razor thin line of one of the points in the article... RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #38
Is there a way to do that? Remember Me Feb 2012 #55
Yes, "masculinity" is an acculturated trait that has no concrete definition and can be changed. RadiationTherapy Feb 2012 #56
Then again some people just trail on and on Dragonbreathp9d Feb 2012 #39
That is not what was said at all. boston bean Feb 2012 #40
Maybe it's time for some "mansplaining" to the guys who think that being a feminist is ingratiating. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #44
There's no reason women shouldn't register for the draft, altho Remember Me Feb 2012 #57
point by point. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #59
I think the vast majority of people, male or female... MellowDem Feb 2012 #45
Some excellent points Remember Me Feb 2012 #58
I think men have a different role in supporting feminism. DirkGently Feb 2012 #46
Very Interesting! Texasgal Feb 2012 #54
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