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26. If corporations are persons, then yes, the 4th Amendment applies to them.

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:32 PM

Jul 2013

You are trying to have it both ways. The government can not just go look at anything they want to. They have to have probable cause. That probable cause is glaringly missing in the data hoovering, warrants or no warrants. That data does belong to he phone company. That information is private information. That information is NOT public information. Also, contained within that meta data hoovered up are the private communications of individuals, i.e., you and me. That electronic data is being collected in real time. What crime are we suspected of to be monitored as we are? So no matter how you slice and dice it, the 4th Amendment is being violated.

The FICA has engaged in huge mission creep since its inception. The rules are not the same as then as now. Also that "because we did it" does not make it any more right or correct or legal, than if "They did it". Wrong is still wrong. Illegal is still illegal. And the Constitution is still being violated.

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Congress: Obama’s Willing Executioners of the Fourth Amendment [View all] xchrom Jul 2013 OP

Time to take a stand people. 99Forever Jul 2013 #1

'Defend the 4th Amendment'. Meaningless hyperbole right up there with 'Follow God's Word'. randome Jul 2013 #2

"Mining Meta Data" sounds too boring. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #3

What chaps my ass about this is that Congress has no fucking clue if the metadata... randome Jul 2013 #4

You would trust the power structure to NOT use it for nefarious purposes? hobbit709 Jul 2013 #5

The same way I trust the FBI and the police to do their jobs every day. randome Jul 2013 #7

Would you trust the "power structure" with your medical records ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #9

I think much of the outrage is manufactured. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #8

It's fun watching you two get your gossip on, nattering about the sinners you see Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #19

Interesting response ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #20

It really is amusing/disturbing to watch them talk with each other Hydra Jul 2013 #34

That meta data belongs to the Internet provider/phone company, etc. RC Jul 2013 #18

Except that those entities were given warrants for access to that data. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #21

Rubber stamped by a secret kangaroo court RC Jul 2013 #24

They are not your "personal papers and effects". JoePhilly Jul 2013 #25

If corporations are persons, then yes, the 4th Amendment applies to them. RC Jul 2013 #26

And the 4th amendment allows for warrants. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #29

I do understand warrants RC Jul 2013 #30

They are proper warrants. They do not need the names of the callers. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #31

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #6

Uff Da with the Goldhagen title reference alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jul 2013 #12

So there is a built in Godwin's Law example right at the onset. Lovely. stevenleser Jul 2013 #16

So the line of arguement they use goes like this ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #22

And we've seen folks defend the right to go Godwin rather than rachet down the hyperbole. stevenleser Jul 2013 #27

Sure ... but didn't you know ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #32

The actual survivors I know are utterly offended by the so called 'Godwin Law' Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #23

Sounds like they don't know what Godwin's law actually says. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #33

Thank You For Sharing - Well Said cantbeserious Jul 2013 #11

K&R Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #13

Al Franken ....Very surprising, I think. From the article: KoKo Jul 2013 #14

we'll have to see what happens == i believe udall and wyden are going to offer xchrom Jul 2013 #17

On a scale of 1-10 on the Absurd Hyberbole Meter, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15

If it is unConstitutional why is AMASH needed? intaglio Jul 2013 #28

Incorrect Hydra Jul 2013 #35

If you are correct about the ACLU challenge intaglio Jul 2013 #36

But but Obama is PURE! He can never do anything wrong! n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #37