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bigtree

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Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:57 AM Aug 2013

“We don’t have a domestic spying program” Just incredible . . . [View all]

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bigtree rant

Almost every government denial of snooping on Americans since 'Snowden' has been met with an even more damaging revelation contradicting them.

The Obama administration is practically begging civil libertarians and other concerned Americans to dig even further into their intelligence activities with a determination for reform. I think it's more of a naivete than arrogance.

All along, the president has operated as if the spooks left over from the last administration - enemies of the constitution who ushered in the present security regime - could be moderated by his apparent concern for civil liberties and privacy rights that he stressed while campaigning for office.

What's occurred, however, by allowing the former Bush cronies to keep their control over policy and operations, Pres. Obama has allowed most of the more objectionable practices and provisions to flourish behind the facade of his own 'reasonableness,' which proponents have always asserted protected Americans from abuses of privacy or constitutional rights.

In defending his own practice, Pres. Obama is obscuring the injustices inherent in both the law and the way the laws are manipulated by agents and operators to overcome almost every obstacle that FISA offers.

By insisting that we can tweak our way to reform; that we can trust that the government will be reasonable and follow good practice in its wide scope of information-gathering, actually does little more than codify the Bush-era premise that government can do whatever it deems necessary.

There will be no leadership to true intelligence reform from the Obama administration, because it's spent almost all of that capital of the president's earlier convictions about civil liberties and privacy rights defending their own unethical and anti-constitutional practices.

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We do its called SOCIAL MEDIA... Historic NY Aug 2013 #1
I'm sure there's been a line on me long before the clicking became mainstream bigtree Aug 2013 #3
This comment is so sad because it demonstrates how successful the 'grooming' of citizens sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #22
Yep, they are screwed, did it to themselves too. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #2
They'll insist this still isn't proof LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #4
This article is about ProSense Aug 2013 #5
it's clear enough to me, ProSense, how this program is being described bigtree Aug 2013 #7
Congress is ProSense Aug 2013 #10
very good points; especially 'Congress' and their responsibility to lead bigtree Aug 2013 #12
"Big Tree"...this is an important Rant from you.... KoKo Aug 2013 #6
It's a surprising rant. OnyxCollie Aug 2013 #8
Where is Bigtree, and what have you done with him? leftstreet Aug 2013 #9
Thanks for the post. Bookmarking. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #11
The Stazi didn't call it spying Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #13
So every time I send an e-mail or a FaceBook message to a friend in Argentina, Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #14
This is where the weasel parsing comes in Catherina Aug 2013 #15
rec read this ^^^ bigtree Aug 2013 #17
1 more thing. NSA can search your emails for talking *about* a target, not just talking *to* Catherina Aug 2013 #23
rules?! They don't need no steeekin' rules! bigtree Aug 2013 #26
Recommend. KoKo Aug 2013 #19
that's the start alc Aug 2013 #16
rec, continue reading alc's summary ^^^ bigtree Aug 2013 #18
Recommend. KoKo Aug 2013 #20
+1000. Thank you n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #24
They're going to store it and read it. Th1onein Aug 2013 #28
It was disappointing that he used the word "Spying".. KoKo Aug 2013 #21
Great post! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #25
K&R nt Zorra Aug 2013 #27
today's presser bigtree Aug 2013 #29
He thought he said "pieing", as we do not hit people with pies...of course. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #30
NYT bigtree Aug 2013 #31
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