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ucrdem

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20. Remember Pat Tillman? Who expressed disillusionment in his private correspondence?

Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:51 AM

Aug 2013

He did nothing illegal and his reward for throwing away a pro football career to avenge 9/11 was to get extra-judicially whacked. Personal effects destroyed, sorry mom. End of story.

That's how Bush and Cheney dealt with criticism. Bradley Manning, whose only clearly expressed motive was to give Hillary Clinton a heart attack, committed what amounts to treason, even if he wasn't convicted of it, and his reward has been a perfectly civilized court martial conducted under the full glare of a hostile international press.

That's the difference between legal and illegal and you really should give a flying ratfuck.

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LETTER From Obama "Specifically To Inform Congress" of NSA Spying-WITHHELD By House Intell Committee [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

This all seems aimed at Obama by a basher and coordinated with the GOP. The amount of outrage uponit7771 Aug 2013 #1

The US Congress, both parties, has completely fucked the pup on this one. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2

That's if one believes all the reports of "pups" being fucked... I don't, they're mostly coming uponit7771 Aug 2013 #5

love this new meme: b/c voter suppression exists, NSA concerns unwarranted nashville_brook Aug 2013 #18

OVERT Strawman noted, good indicator fudr central hasn't given a response to it...truth is hard uponit7771 Aug 2013 #36

Is Ron Wyden one of those 'bashers'? I have a feeling he can handle more than one issue at a time. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #59

Smear the messenger. Octafish Aug 2013 #4

Facts don't hurt, facts about SnowGlen don't hurt either I trust them less and I trust their motives uponit7771 Aug 2013 #6

WikiLeaks opened up the gangster's world. Octafish Aug 2013 #9

Funny you mention Padilla. What exactly did wikileaks "teach" us about Jose Padilla? ucrdem Aug 2013 #15

Nice job of obfuscation. Octafish Aug 2013 #19

"The government" changed hands following the November 2008 election. ucrdem Aug 2013 #22

Really? You imply I said something that I didn't. That's a cheap propaganda technique, ucrdem. Octafish Aug 2013 #26

Did you notice that Petraeus took a powder the day after Obama won reelection ucrdem Aug 2013 #27

Laugh all you want. I don't see you adding to what we know. Octafish Aug 2013 #30

p.s. it isn't obfuscation to point out that Assange carries water for the Bush league. ucrdem Aug 2013 #25

So that picture explains why Padilla doesn't deserve his Constitutional rights. Octafish Aug 2013 #32

That isn't my position. It's the one Assange is propping up. nt ucrdem Aug 2013 #33

post 15 you said concerning questionseverything Aug 2013 #61

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #29

well put. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #44

SnowGlen? LOL! Rex Aug 2013 #53

Are you the arbitrator of or proportion when it comes to rage? One can multitask Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #63

what nonsense stupidicus Aug 2013 #48

You don't like information coming out that makes Obama look bad LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #52

not, if Obama cured cancer bashers, wingers and SnowGangers would say he's putting doctors uponit7771 Aug 2013 #55

Ah, yes. There's the "Blame America!!!" claim JoeyT Aug 2013 #56

Wrong, blame America's government...seems KKKons and SnowGangers see them as totally different... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #57

Secret Laws and Secret Government are un-American. Octafish Aug 2013 #3

If this isn't oversight and accountability, what would you call it? ucrdem Aug 2013 #12

All that would never have seen the light of day were it not for Snowden. Octafish Aug 2013 #14

Says who? ucrdem Aug 2013 #16

Says history. Octafish Aug 2013 #17

Remember Pat Tillman? Who expressed disillusionment in his private correspondence? ucrdem Aug 2013 #20

Is this the first time you've posted on Pat Tillman, ucrdem? Octafish Aug 2013 #28

Thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #46

Which steps were taken to correct the errors? David Krout Aug 2013 #31

Funny you should ask . . . ucrdem Aug 2013 #35

dude, Obama gave that speech after the leaks David Krout Aug 2013 #38

The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first steps ucrdem Aug 2013 #40

Which steps were those? Did the errors decrease from 2011 to 2012? nt David Krout Aug 2013 #41

Quadrupling the NSA oversight staff, for one thing. ucrdem Aug 2013 #43

Exactly. n/t Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #50

+1 Rex Aug 2013 #54

Which is why that document should have been provided to Congress. DevonRex Aug 2013 #60

That would be everyone mucking this up now Hydra Aug 2013 #7

You are right about that. It seems everybody has screwed it up. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #23

The strategy being BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #8

Key paragraph.... Triana Aug 2013 #10

Thanks Triana Cha Aug 2013 #49

I do not see a single word against Obama in this entire thread. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #51

But this particular instance, it seems the blame falls on this committee and/or Congress - not questionseverything Aug 2013 #62

Gvt branches throwing each other under the bus = priceless leftstreet Aug 2013 #11

If you are defending, you are losing. mick063 Aug 2013 #13

He went on tv saying we didn't do these things. Then the audit shows we did. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #24

If you're stoking you're standing out, leaders aren't all knowing...I like Obama's response so far.. uponit7771 Aug 2013 #42

I would love to know the exact distribution of that memo. hootinholler Aug 2013 #21

Awww... the congressional dog ate the White House's homework! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #34

For some reason, the buck always stops somewhere else. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #45

Most succinct and accurate post of the lot hueymahl Aug 2013 #47

Frantic blame chucking will now ensue. DirkGently Aug 2013 #37

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #39

I'm not sure why people are raging in defense of Obama in this thread. JoeyT Aug 2013 #58