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LWolf

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38. Neither war nor peace, but non-violent struggle:
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:23 PM
Sep 2013

From an essay by Gene Sharp discussing Gandhi's response to conflict.

Modern thought widely assumes that the peaceful alternatives to violence and war consist of negotiations, dialogue, diplomacy, negotiations, compromise, conciliation, and other tools of conflict resolution. Those are all good and useful tools in many situations and they need to be explored and developed further. However, that list does not include the full range of alternatives to violence. It does not give recognition to Gandhi’s views and experience in the development of satyagraha and the important wider historical practice of nonviolent struggle in social, economic, political, and international conflicts.


The article you posted does not even give recognition to those mentioned "peaceful alternatives." It assumes that "pacifist" = passive non-response.

Gandhi’s important contributions about how to deal with conflicts do not fit smoothly into established modern thought and practice. The
assumption usually is that in serious conflicts one ultimately must choose between surrender, using violence, and refusal to participate on pacifist grounds.


That's exactly what those supporting a violent response are saying.

Gandhi’s answer was to identify those conflicts where the issues are fundamental. Those are the conflicts when moral principles, human rights,and justice are at stake and when compromise is not possible or desirable. Then the primary task of the exponent of nonviolent means is to assist the oppressed people to become empowered by learning how to apply satyagraha, or nonviolent struggle, to change their situation, as Gandhi insisted.
Most Western conflict resolution advocates, pacifists, and peace researchers have not yet fully grasped this great contribution to the resolution of acute conflicts.


It's an interesting and relevant read.



http://www.aeinstein.org/lectures_papers/INDIA_GANDHI_ANSWER.pdf
When has it ever been tried? HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #1
+1000 Tien1985 Sep 2013 #6
Rwanda (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #29
Non involvement, not pacifism. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #71
So then what would have been the pacifist response to Rwanda? n/t Daniel537 Sep 2013 #100
IIRC, it arose so quickly that any response would have been too little, too late. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #102
Indian independence. LWolf Sep 2013 #32
That wasn't a US effort, though. nt HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #70
No, but "when has it ever been tried" LWolf Sep 2013 #90
Yes, I was referring to the US. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #95
MLK AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #96
Not US govt... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #101
Doesn't have to be US government to work AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #103
We can't control others - it can't be tried until they cooperate treestar Sep 2013 #107
that's Orwellian speak.... mike_c Sep 2013 #2
Exactly! scarletwoman Sep 2013 #10
If I could recommend a post, I'd recommend your's. Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #44
Strait to the point. zeemike Sep 2013 #53
If I am a pacifist and I watch somebody else get killed because I refused to intervene, mythology Sep 2013 #56
:^) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #60
Ayup. quakerboy Sep 2013 #61
Without the clever. What a piece of excrement. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #85
+1 nt Zorra Sep 2013 #91
I don't see what's so "peaceful" about sitting back and allowing Daniel537 Sep 2013 #99
This is absurd and bullshit. morningfog Sep 2013 #3
bilge. KG Sep 2013 #4
I'm more worried about explaining how we did nothing about climate change... polichick Sep 2013 #5
it's not 'pacifism' to resist the counterproductive and destabilizing force of our military bigtree Sep 2013 #7
Kill in the name of peace! This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #8
+ a million. lol quinnox Sep 2013 #12
Well it is from the washintonCOMpost where shit piles up and stinks a lot. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #27
That it is! n/t backscatter712 Sep 2013 #40
I love that clip! Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #46
When you post utter codswallop on DU, people will tell you about it Warpy Sep 2013 #9
Never heard of codswallop, but got the context. Sounds kind of British, but better than some libdem4life Sep 2013 #14
codswallop ...iszat when 2 cows French kiss? L0oniX Sep 2013 #28
we're in the middle of about a billion wars Enrique Sep 2013 #11
How can we talk about pacifism, when our leaders didn't even want to run their idea by the UN??? reformist2 Sep 2013 #13
So...we should waste time running smack into Russia's veto? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #30
Yes. It would be an excellent way to shame Russia and China for their complicity. reformist2 Sep 2013 #33
And how, specifically, does shaming Russia stop Syria from using chemical weapons? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2013 #39
If and or until sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #58
R#5 & K provisionally for open-mind/ (other things I can't think of right now) n/t UTUSN Sep 2013 #15
War gets to that point way sooner. rug Sep 2013 #16
the pacifist problem Autumn Sep 2013 #17
Oh for fuck's sake... Hissyspit Sep 2013 #18
+1 OFFS L0oniX Sep 2013 #26
War is peace. Death is life. Black is white. Slavery is freedom. Th1onein Sep 2013 #19
Makes as much sense as fucking for virginity! n/t backscatter712 Sep 2013 #20
The Softer Side of Neoconservatism? dairydog91 Sep 2013 #21
What we're faced with in Syra isn't another Iraq. It's another Rwanda. baldguy Sep 2013 #22
If you want to beat the war drums mick063 Sep 2013 #23
Few problems here. jeff47 Sep 2013 #31
Not once mick063 Sep 2013 #34
Libya wasn't 10 years ago. jeff47 Sep 2013 #37
"No, we're the only people who are aghast who have sufficient military power to pull off a strike." mick063 Sep 2013 #49
One of the larger piles of bullshit I've seen on DU. Looks like it has magic mushrooms on it too. L0oniX Sep 2013 #24
I like Sebastian Junger, but it sounds like he's been embedded too long. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2013 #25
"Kill For Peace" by the great FUGS! GReedDiamond Sep 2013 #35
That's the stupidest fucking pile of shit I've read all day. n/t 99Forever Sep 2013 #36
Neither war nor peace, but non-violent struggle: LWolf Sep 2013 #38
That only works if the government is not willing to slaughter the opposition jeff47 Sep 2013 #41
Exactly. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #43
No. LWolf Sep 2013 #47
now that sounds more like it. I'm with you LWolf. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #62
.... SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #42
That's a violent OP title. Precisely Sep 2013 #45
Not fighting for Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda = pacifism? eridani Sep 2013 #48
I guess so. Another bunch of words strung together to defend the truedelphi Sep 2013 #80
The US has no standing whatsoever to be judging any other country on the use of WMD eridani Sep 2013 #81
Great article.. jessie04 Sep 2013 #50
I'm usually as liberal as it gets and favor the current possible diplomatic solution.... rynestonecowboy Sep 2013 #73
Since time began, there have been dictators that kill to stay in power.... jessie04 Sep 2013 #75
War doesn't solve anything either. We are a dispicable species. There is not much that can liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #51
few examples here and there ?? jessie04 Sep 2013 #52
Bullshit. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #54
Clearly, Sand Wind is a person with an agenda. Maedhros Sep 2013 #55
I've been reading all her posts...No agenda at all. jessie04 Sep 2013 #82
"Peace is War"! ROFL grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #57
++1 nt raouldukelives Sep 2013 #89
Just think if we would have joined in with the Brittish and French after Dunkirk how many lives demosincebirth Sep 2013 #59
We need to send a message, to any evil countries that use chemicals Dragonfli Sep 2013 #63
Send them an Instagram. rug Sep 2013 #65
I need to hear screaming to be convinced the pacifists are being defeated, the evil countries Dragonfli Sep 2013 #69
We should clean our own house before JEB Sep 2013 #66
"Well, you see, honey..." uberblonde Sep 2013 #64
Well, then we're defining "humanity" funny when 100k dead isn't a crime, but 1.4k is. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #67
at no point did this individual define "pacifism". would be interested to see what that individual niyad Sep 2013 #68
Right, good question... Sand Wind Sep 2013 #72
What a contemptible pile of horse shit! n/t markpkessinger Sep 2013 #74
This is not that point. nt Deep13 Sep 2013 #76
Im trying to think of someway of replying to this double speak article LostOne4Ever Sep 2013 #77
That's why "codswallop" crawled off my keyboard Warpy Sep 2013 #78
You seem to have a consistent theme going here. Le Taz Hot Sep 2013 #79
Where DO these idiots come from? sendero Sep 2013 #83
as opposed to launching missile strikes that may not "be particularly effective" fishwax Sep 2013 #84
DU is becoming more disgusting by the day. SecularMotion Sep 2013 #86
from the war-pimping Washington Post. marmar Sep 2013 #87
fishwrap. KG Sep 2013 #88
not sure even the local fishwrap would publish this piece, which is really saying something. niyad Sep 2013 #92
Sebastian Junger is certainly not a "war-pimp". Daniel537 Sep 2013 #97
This guy equates the rejection of unilateral bombing with "having no effective response to the... Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #93
Wow, did a rabbit hole just open? Is Ayn Rand back from the dead? Safetykitten Sep 2013 #94
Maybe they should explain to the kids why there is so much poverty and malaise Sep 2013 #98
Just because missles aren't being lobbed, that doesn't mean nothing is being done. notadmblnd Sep 2013 #104
Right AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #105
Yes, in fact, here it seems to mean only the US not being treestar Sep 2013 #106
and fucking becomes an instrument of virginity! Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 #108
Internationalism is not Isolationism. Pacifism is not the "machinery of death". Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #109
More war mongering from the OP Vinnie From Indy Sep 2013 #110
Wow... ocpagu Sep 2013 #111
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