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ProSense

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Thu Sep 19, 2013, 10:24 AM Sep 2013

Syria's insurgency beyond Good Guys and Bad Guys [View all]

Syria's insurgency beyond Good Guys and Bad Guys

Posted By Charles Lister

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told the Senate on September 4 that "bad guys" and "extremists" make up between 15 and 25 percent of the Syrian insurgency. The reality is far more complicated -- with enormous significance for the prospect of U.S. military action...the crucial point: the insurgency simply cannot effectively be divided into two simple, easy to digest, categories of "moderate" and "extremist." While estimates vary considerably, there are currently thought to be as many as 1,000 individual armed groups in Syria, representing approximately 100,000 fighters. A great deal of these groups are small and operate on a particularly localized level, but there are a number of alliances and lines of loose command and control that provide an inkling of clarity...while numbers and force deployment capabilities are clearly very important, they are not the be all and end all. Like it or not, groups on the more extreme end of the spectrum, particularly those affiliated with al Qaeda, have proven remarkably adept at spreading their military resources across large swathes of territory, joining battles at the pivotal moment, and exploiting their superior organizational structures to establish political control and influence over territory. While some moderate groups have also presented tight levels of organization and command and control, jihadist and Salafist insurgent groups have by and large been notably more effective in this regard.

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Terminology is also a hugely tricky issue. Technically speaking, a very large portion of rebel fighters in Syria would identify themselves as "Islamists" fighting a "jihad." But contrary to popular Western interpretation, this does not make them "extremists" and certainly not "al Qaeda." As has often been the case in complex and bloody sub-state conflicts, those involved -- both directly (insurgents) and indirectly (civilians) -- often turn to religion as a support mechanism. The rapid proliferation of Islamic names for many of the original Free Syrian Army (FSA) units back in 2011 illustrates this clearly.

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All of the above highlights, on a basic level, the conceptual elements of complexity sometimes missing or misused in the current increased coverage of Syria. But the most important element is the specific nature and composition of the insurgency itself. When Kerry claimed that "extremists" comprise between 15 and 25 percent of the insurgency he also stated that the total Syrian insurgent force numbers between 70,000 and 100,000. That is somewhere between 10,500 and 25,000 "bad guys" -- no small number. Secondly, while it's clearly not possible to determine exactly what groups purportedly make up this 15 to 25 percent figure...The most "extreme" portion of the insurgency is represented by the two al Qaeda-affiliated groups: Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). Combined, these groups command an estimated 7,000 to 10,000 fighters, distributed in at least 11 of Syria's 14 governorates...The most notable addition to the likely "bad guys" list is Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiya (HASI) and its Syrian Islamic Front (SIF) coalition. A conservative estimate of SIF's total strength (which is dominated heavily by Harakat Ahrar al-Sham al-Islamiya) is 15,000 to 20,000 fighters, distributed across 11 governorates....So that's potentially between 24,000 and 33,000 "bad guys," or 33 to 34 percent of the insurgency -- already more than the 15 to 25 percent cited...Another potential addition is Suqor al-Sham, which consists of an estimated 8,000 to 9,000 fighters, primarily active in the northern governorates of Idlib and Aleppo...So that's potentially 32,000 to 42,000 "bad guys," or 42 to 46 percent of the insurgency.

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But again, it is more complicated than that....While all three groups are certainly less hardline than Suqor al-Sham, HASI or SIF, ISIS, and Jabhat al-Nusra, they have all on separate occasions rejected democracy in the Western-accepted sense as a concept and expressed a desire for the establishment of an Islamic state in Syria. While Kataib al-Farouq's popularity and strategic significance has declined over the last 12 months, Liwa al-Islam is a critical player in the battle for Damascus and Liwa al-Tawhid is an essential source of authority in Aleppo. Whether a decision has been made not to direct (as much or any) overtly valuable resources to these three groups is impossible to confirm, but considering their potential strategic impact in their respective theaters, it's a trend that is hard to ignore. After all, adding them to the potential "bad guys" list would result in the total reaching between 56,000 and 68,000 fighters, or 68 to 80 percent of the insurgency...This might all appear as an attempt to present Syria's insurgency as a melting pot of extremists -- but it is most certainly not intended as such. Some of the groups mentioned here have adopted pragmatic approaches to stating their political objectives and the exact nature of their desires is a much debated subject. Moreover, I have spoken with members of all groups mentioned in this article and as shocking as it may sound to some, the large majority of them seem, outwardly, to have what they perceive to be Syria's best interests at the forefront of their minds, at least for now. However, the tactics and rhetoric employed by many are clearly unpalatable...While it is incontrovertibly the case that jihadists (or "extremists&quot represent a minority of the total insurgent force, true genuine "moderates" -- by Western standards of supporting the establishment of a non-religious, liberal state preferably founded on democratic principals -- also do not represent a majority. The largest portion of insurgent fighters in Syria is in fact represented by "Islamists," some less socially and politically conservative than others. Crucially, this does not preclude them from being potentially valuable leaders of a future Syria or even as future friends of the West, but it is important that this crucial element of the opposition is included within the minds of today's policymakers.

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http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/09/09/syrias_insurgency_beyond_good_guys_and_bad_guys

Charles Lister is the author of the Janes' analysis (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023673130)
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As Lister acknowledges, 68-80 percent reject democracy in the Western-accepted sense as a concept leveymg Sep 2013 #1
"We're on the wrong side in this. Both sides - practically all sides, are wrong." ProSense Sep 2013 #2
You're talking about replacing a secular despot with an Islamic caliphate. The cost - only 100K leveymg Sep 2013 #3
So your preference is for Assad's brutality because he's a "secular despot"? ProSense Sep 2013 #4
My preference is that we not be involved in the Syrian civil war. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #5
Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #6
And the rebels are the Mary Poppins Brigade, strewing flowers and singing folk songs? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #13
Who said that? ProSense Sep 2013 #15
Can I check "None of the Above"? Or, is someone forcing us to take sides? leveymg Sep 2013 #9
No one ProSense Sep 2013 #10
You should knock off that accusatory "you may not care" bullshit. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #14
Bullshit. ProSense Sep 2013 #16
You directed that remark right at me, so don't dance around the bush. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2013 #23
Right, because your comment implied the U.S. shouldn't get involved ProSense Sep 2013 #25
That is correct. In addition this one can feel the tug of his leash from Moscow. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #27
A Couple of Small Points, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2013 #19
In all Civil Wars, both sides "kill their own people" As did the North and the South in US History libdem4life Sep 2013 #7
Which American leader/President are you comparing to Assad? n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #8
The Syrian Civil War is small change compared to the US Civil War - >700,000 killed. Want to leveymg Sep 2013 #11
War as "small change"? ProSense Sep 2013 #12
How many more people need to die to meet your standards of moral righteousness and regime change? leveymg Sep 2013 #18
You're the one categorizing war as "small change," and why? ProSense Sep 2013 #20
I'm not comparing anyone...speaking to civil war mentality and history...ours and others. libdem4life Sep 2013 #21
The British were ready to intervene on behalf of the South, but backed off geek tragedy Sep 2013 #17
I had not heard that, but incidentally, here is info from Wiki I found interesting... libdem4life Sep 2013 #22
They were considering recognizing the South as an independent nation. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #24
Yes, that would make sense. Thanks for the info. libdem4life Sep 2013 #26
K & R Scurrilous Sep 2013 #28
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