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d_r

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61. thank you for the link

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:20 AM

Oct 2013

I would like to see more video footage to better understand what happened.

I couldn't get a video on that link to work on my computer. I'll try other things. I would like to see it.

The description in text says:

"There's roughly an hour's worth of footage in the seven videos, in which the bikers are more of a nuisance, though, sometimes, they do put themselves and other drivers to risk with their actions. For example, they pass red lights on several occasions (4th video at the 1:20 mark and 6th video at 10:00)), they enter opposite lanes, and ride on pedestrian sidewalks (last video at the 1:15 mark)."

I agree that the drivers were being reckless and that the guy who was first hit was being reckless. I have no doubt of that from the video I did see.

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halfway decent human being quiz [View all] d_r Oct 2013 OP

Imagine you are being harrased by a mob of bikers who block your path NightWatcher Oct 2013 #1

Apparently, the man should have taken his ass-kicking right there on the highway. bunnies Oct 2013 #3

You can't hit someone d_r Oct 2013 #4

Youd have jumped out of your car with a gang of bikers beating your vehicle? bunnies Oct 2013 #6

That looks like a pintobean Oct 2013 #9

More like a death-wish quiz. bunnies Oct 2013 #18

honestly I would been out of the car d_r Oct 2013 #31

What makes you think there was time? bunnies Oct 2013 #34

I watched the video d_r Oct 2013 #183

Have you ever been in a car accident? bunnies Oct 2013 #185

exactly d_r Oct 2013 #203

And in none of the experiences you mention kcr Oct 2013 #207

I would have tried to open the door d_r Oct 2013 #211

Yes, you are trying to change it. kcr Oct 2013 #212

kcr, I'm not trying to compare d_r Oct 2013 #214

You're implying it. kcr Oct 2013 #215

The situations you describe are very different from the one we're discussing, though. bunnies Oct 2013 #209

I'm sure he *felt* threatened d_r Oct 2013 #213

except that is not at all what happened d_r Oct 2013 #10

NYPD disagrees with your account. bunnies Oct 2013 #13

No I didn't see that d_r Oct 2013 #20

We'd ALL get out to help but for fear of our lives. bunnies Oct 2013 #22

I imagine many people pretend they know what they would do in any given situation. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #118

You would make a shitty eyewitness Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #86

You didn't watch the same video the rest of us have. CANDO Oct 2013 #136

That is pretty much how a rider with a pack of motorcycles creates separation for the pack. ieoeja Oct 2013 #139

A "good tactic"? CANDO Oct 2013 #182

Because it's their road pintobean Oct 2013 #196

You can see the tire at 3:04 in the video just after it had been ripped off the vehicle cpwm17 Oct 2013 #220

It certainly wasn't wreckless but it was reckless. hobbit709 Oct 2013 #192

DoubleDerp seveneyes Oct 2013 #30

You can if they're holding knives outside your window and your baby is in the car Renew Deal Oct 2013 #40

No these fucking motorcyclists should all fucking land in jail! Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #65

You can if they are threatening you and your family Politicalboi Oct 2013 #169

"I would jump out of the car and try to help the guy I just hit." On the Road Oct 2013 #201

sorry I don't get it d_r Oct 2013 #205

Maybe I Misunderstood the Situation On the Road Oct 2013 #218

I guess it is perception d_r Oct 2013 #219

the biker deliberately applied the brakes in front of the car tk2kewl Oct 2013 #2

I don't think he was trying to be hit d_r Oct 2013 #5

bullshit tk2kewl Oct 2013 #7

so they just picked out this guy d_r Oct 2013 #11

my guess is something happened earlier that isn't on the vid tk2kewl Oct 2013 #14

I agree we don't know context d_r Oct 2013 #21

Reckless dude. RECKLESS tkmorris Oct 2013 #46

yeah you are right d_r Oct 2013 #51

Recless pintobean Oct 2013 #88

Hah! Nice tkmorris Oct 2013 #154

you should follow the links in this post... tk2kewl Oct 2013 #54

thank you for the link d_r Oct 2013 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Buns_of_Fire Oct 2013 #59

One of the riders claims he pulled up alongside them and started hurling obscenities and threats sir pball Oct 2013 #108

No, if the biker was looking back treestar Oct 2013 #24

yes agreed d_r Oct 2013 #28

Turns out, he caused the accident intentionally. (shocking) bunnies Oct 2013 #37

Yeah I said d_r Oct 2013 #52

ok. So the biker intentionally causes an accident, bunnies Oct 2013 #62

I thought he was looking back d_r Oct 2013 #67

Do you drive? bunnies Oct 2013 #71

yeah I drive all the time of course I drive d_r Oct 2013 #78

*sigh* bunnies Oct 2013 #85

do i just hand them my 2 yr old also? seabeyond Oct 2013 #8

who would you hand your two year old to d_r Oct 2013 #12

you are talking about a real event, an event video'd. and you tie it in with "decent person" seabeyond Oct 2013 #15

not playing a game d_r Oct 2013 #26

a father had good reason to fear the safety of wife and child. that simple. seabeyond Oct 2013 #29

I have children d_r Oct 2013 #32

Even if they were surrounding your car and pounding on your windows? kcr Oct 2013 #42

again I don't see that happening on the video d_r Oct 2013 #47

Oh, right. They were surrounding his car just to check on things. kcr Oct 2013 #49

I don't see it the way you do. d_r Oct 2013 #55

your version of events is completely and utterly fantasy ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #58

may be so d_r Oct 2013 #70

How was he merely assuming they were dangerous and scary? kcr Oct 2013 #77

I don't see it d_r Oct 2013 #79

And that's what makes your opinion on this so cuckoo pants. kcr Oct 2013 #87

another thing that is dangerous d_r Oct 2013 #189

It's especially dangerous kcr Oct 2013 #190

RIght, it didn't have to be that way kcr Oct 2013 #63

serious question d_r Oct 2013 #74

Okay, dude, you're on to us. kcr Oct 2013 #81

Wanna bet this OP has never been in a car accident? bunnies Oct 2013 #91

...AND brandishes knives; slashing your tires. TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #144

The OP and a few others. kcr Oct 2013 #148

You wouldn't check on your wife and child first? pintobean Oct 2013 #95

Would that be the decent human being test? bunnies Oct 2013 #109

You are a friggin' saint. There. Happy now? virgogal Oct 2013 #128

Nah. bunnies Oct 2013 #17

Ya, that. Nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #19

Well, apparently that's what he gets for being biased against bikers. kcr Oct 2013 #90

Exactly. bunnies Oct 2013 #92

And remember, everyone. kcr Oct 2013 #113

And for the Women: bunnies Oct 2013 #119

from information so far, I'd say the biker who brake checked is at fault.... steve2470 Oct 2013 #16

self-defense statute in NY state steve2470 Oct 2013 #35

E.) Escape the people slashing your tires & trying to kill you? DirkGently Oct 2013 #23

I don't see C on the video d_r Oct 2013 #27

Are you purposely being obtuse? HERVEPA Oct 2013 #33

No I am absolutely not d_r Oct 2013 #39

OK. If the driver and his family were being physically threatened (which most people think), HERVEPA Oct 2013 #56

Yes d_r Oct 2013 #66

They have a history of being scum! bunnies Oct 2013 #75

Just what I read. You can see them surrounding the SUV DirkGently Oct 2013 #38

I keep looking at the video d_r Oct 2013 #43

If no one was threatening the SUV when it first pulled over DirkGently Oct 2013 #94

I don't know if it was the guy who was slowing down and got hit d_r Oct 2013 #50

The SUV doesn't "look" like its tires were already slashed... Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #72

After the initial accident, both sides call 911 treestar Oct 2013 #25

If I am involved In a car accident DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #80

Hit and Run rules can be very stringent treestar Oct 2013 #125

but there could be defenses: treestar Oct 2013 #126

The SUV driver called 911 at least four times. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #131

Yeah, I think if he called 911 from the car treestar Oct 2013 #132

If the driver intentionally hit the guy and fled as the OP suggests DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #133

Scenario 1: Flee with my wife and child from the orcs on those bikes geek tragedy Oct 2013 #36

they aren't "orcs" d_r Oct 2013 #44

Yes, people are biased against violent thugs on motorized bikes terrorizing other drivers nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #45

So you're going to hang around if dozens and dozens of people DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #48

Damn skippy. reflection Oct 2013 #57

Do you watch 10 hours of Sci Fi Channel every single day? closeupready Oct 2013 #96

No, but if a bunch of thugs were threatening the safety of me and my family geek tragedy Oct 2013 #103

The only fantasy I see in this thread Union Scribe Oct 2013 #105

Hint: "Orcs" aren't real, lol. closeupready Oct 2013 #130

I can certainly understand why you would trivialize a visceral reaction... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #135

smh/nt DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #41

your attempt to justify the bikers' behavior ProdigalJunkMail Oct 2013 #53

then you misunderstood d_r Oct 2013 #64

My friend had this quote which he attributed to Orwell but i can't find confirmation, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #68

Your post is ridiculous. Under general circumstances Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #60

I don't understand why that it is so hard for the OP to understand. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #69

this topic, once again, shows how DU's membership has degraded to closeupready Oct 2013 #73

The OP is out on the limb alone on this one. bunnies Oct 2013 #82

No, he's not. There are at least four of us, by my count. closeupready Oct 2013 #98

Fantastic. bunnies Oct 2013 #106

It appears you and I are the only two people who saw it that way. ieoeja Oct 2013 #76

thank you. d_r Oct 2013 #83

Young people behaving youthfully scares the shit out of a lot of old people. ieoeja Oct 2013 #89

This kids being kids nonsese it absolute bullshit. bunnies Oct 2013 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Oct 2013 #101

The other suspect who was arrested is 42. pintobean Oct 2013 #114

Wow. That other "kid" is older than me! bunnies Oct 2013 #122

I guess every city has these "bikers" pintobean Oct 2013 #124

I agree with you re: calling them bikers. bunnies Oct 2013 #127

Count me in, too. I'm thinking I need to move on; DU is conservative closeupready Oct 2013 #93

Being a progressive and acting rationally aren't mutually exclusive DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #104

The video didn't show any of that. ieoeja Oct 2013 #111

Here DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #116

Ah! Because he said so. Whom should I believe, him or my lying eyes? n/t ieoeja Oct 2013 #117

This will all be sorted out in the fullness of time DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #121

Check out video at post #134. ieoeja Oct 2013 #137

I stopped for a couple weeks. But lurked, saw something that I just couldn't *not* comment on. ieoeja Oct 2013 #110

Many commenters are fairly new, and part of me thinks closeupready Oct 2013 #129

This isn't a D/R or left/right issue pintobean Oct 2013 #138

It would be fun if you could actually contribute something closeupready Oct 2013 #141

Thank you Mrs. Potts pintobean Oct 2013 #147

lol, do you have a Ph.D. in wisecracking, closeupready Oct 2013 #156

There are a group of idiots out there... NCTraveler Oct 2013 #84

Not just "out there" apparently. bunnies Oct 2013 #100

We're conservative authoritarians now, too. kcr Oct 2013 #115

I noticed that. bunnies Oct 2013 #120

Your OP, and every subsequent post in this thread, is ludicrous. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2013 #99

This thread gets a big fail bigwillq Oct 2013 #102

This reminds me of the Cheney defense when he shot his hunting partner in the face DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2013 #107

If the bikers felt they were wronged by the driver at the outset of the incident NuclearDem Oct 2013 #112

Isn't it great fun to reduce life to its most simplistic form? lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #123

This video shows how the bikers attacked the SUV before he ran from them. ieoeja Oct 2013 #134

"One person walks up and opens the door" kcr Oct 2013 #140

Probably to give him a piece of his mind. ieoeja Oct 2013 #142

The guy was yanking violently. kcr Oct 2013 #143

You are overreaching. And inserting fantasy here. closeupready Oct 2013 #146

Im sure the door was just stuck. bunnies Oct 2013 #149

First we were conservative and authoritarian. Now we're D&D nerds. kcr Oct 2013 #151

And Racist! Racist-Authoritarian D&D nerds! bunnies Oct 2013 #153

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #159

Sexism is AWESOME! bunnies Oct 2013 #162

It goes with the whole orc-y, D&D theme; report, if you wish. closeupready Oct 2013 #170

I dont know what the fuck an "orc" is but I now sexism when I see it. bunnies Oct 2013 #173

Wow, that really solidifies your point of view kcr Oct 2013 #163

Oh, I hope they do. kcr Oct 2013 #160

And now closeupready has pulled the sexism card. bunnies Oct 2013 #166

Did you alert? closeupready Oct 2013 #171

No way. I'd rather leave it out there for everyone to see. nt bunnies Oct 2013 #174

Because you are such a sensitive human being? closeupready Oct 2013 #176

Sexists are SO cool. bunnies Oct 2013 #177

It's honestly funny to juxtapose closeupready Oct 2013 #145

Yeah, I know, how ridiculous kcr Oct 2013 #150

Horrible, yes, I agree - the rest, again, is mostly fantasy. closeupready Oct 2013 #155

You keep saying things are fantasy kcr Oct 2013 #157

You and your ilk here are embellishing - someone 5 minutes ago closeupready Oct 2013 #164

Oh, they called them names? kcr Oct 2013 #168

There do not appear to be many people passing the "halfway decent human being" test on DU. ieoeja Oct 2013 #161

Except that most biker-haters here are psychic, so they know closeupready Oct 2013 #167

Right, because it takes a psychic kcr Oct 2013 #175

Racism now too? bunnies Oct 2013 #152

Do you know what race "bikers" are? pintobean Oct 2013 #165

How do you know I'm not an it? closeupready Oct 2013 #172

? pintobean Oct 2013 #217

Any excuse to call DUers names will do, it seems. bunnies Oct 2013 #179

The biker who was interviewed in that video, reflection Oct 2013 #158

If someone ever tries to open my car door while I'm stopped. I'm flooring it. Deal with that. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #180

Hopefully if that ever happens none of your loved ones will be in front of your car. ieoeja Oct 2013 #181

I really hope d_r Oct 2013 #186

Your first scenario is missing something... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #178

That reads more Phentex Oct 2013 #184

but that isn't what happened d_r Oct 2013 #187

You're wrong. kcr Oct 2013 #188

OK d_r Oct 2013 #193

Someone trying to open his car door is reason enough. Yes. kcr Oct 2013 #195

Links... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #197

Should you ride a motorcycle quiz Taitertots Oct 2013 #191

I don't think anyone has said d_r Oct 2013 #194

You shouldn't be put in a situation where you need to do that Taitertots Oct 2013 #199

I think someone did. pintobean Oct 2013 #200

well I never said it d_r Oct 2013 #210

Have you read anything about the story, or just watched the first 10 seconds of video? DireStrike Oct 2013 #198

I've watched it really closely d_r Oct 2013 #206

I don't think it's really possible to see that in the video DireStrike Oct 2013 #208

you are right d_r Oct 2013 #216

Wow. And I thought I'd seen stupid OPs before. xfundy Oct 2013 #202

This isn't a halfway decent ANYTHING. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #204

They slashed his tire cpwm17 Oct 2013 #221

he ran over motorcycles d_r Oct 2013 #222