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In reply to the discussion: Question for those callling the shutdown an act of sedition [View all]Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)16. The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th
to use it to automatically raise the debt limit.
Obama Will Not Unilaterally Raise Debt Limit
We do not believe that the 14th amendment provides that authority to the president, the White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said on Thursday. The president, he added, completely agrees with his advisers legal reasoning.
The administration, and Mr. Obama himself, have said in past confrontations with Republicans that the president does not have the constitutional power to act without Congress. But the issue has surfaced yet again, as another and seemingly more intractable impasse between the White House and Republicans threatens a debt crisis. After Oct. 17, the Treasury Department has said, it will no longer be able to borrow money to cover the nations obligations, including to creditors, precipitating a potential financial and economic crisis with global ramifications.
Look, Mr. Carney said, sounding slightly exasperated to reporters, our view is, the Constitution gives Congress, not the president, the authority to borrow money, and only Congress can increase the debt ceiling. Which is why its time that they do their job and raise the debt ceiling you know, authorize the Treasury to pay the bills that Congress racked up.
We do not believe that the 14th amendment provides that authority to the president, the White House press secretary, Jay Carney, said on Thursday. The president, he added, completely agrees with his advisers legal reasoning.
The administration, and Mr. Obama himself, have said in past confrontations with Republicans that the president does not have the constitutional power to act without Congress. But the issue has surfaced yet again, as another and seemingly more intractable impasse between the White House and Republicans threatens a debt crisis. After Oct. 17, the Treasury Department has said, it will no longer be able to borrow money to cover the nations obligations, including to creditors, precipitating a potential financial and economic crisis with global ramifications.
Look, Mr. Carney said, sounding slightly exasperated to reporters, our view is, the Constitution gives Congress, not the president, the authority to borrow money, and only Congress can increase the debt ceiling. Which is why its time that they do their job and raise the debt ceiling you know, authorize the Treasury to pay the bills that Congress racked up.
Even if they are violation the Constitution, there is nothing we can do about it.
That is what makes this a Constitutional Crises.
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Actually, conspiring to have the country go into default by not allowing a vote might be a violation
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#3
As contemptable as Republicans are, they are using the rules to hold the government hostage.
randome
Oct 2013
#5
Actually allowing the country to default is a violation of the 14th amendment, and I will guarantee
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#8
actually if you don't raise the debt limit for money spent, it means you are in default on your debt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#55
The money is already spent. Raising the debt limit is a formality, but a necessary one
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#64
The shutdown is the budget, not the debt ceiling. It is a different issue
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#68
What? Where do you guys get this stuff? The debt is the cumulative deficits of all budgets.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#69
The offical postion of the Exectuive Branch (Obama) is that they do not authority under the 14th
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#16
Where in the world did you come up with the idea I think the House should get its way?
onenote
Oct 2013
#122
You keep saying that the Senate passed a bill that had been passed by the House. That's not true.
onenote
Oct 2013
#125
"You are correct that when the two houses pass different versions of the same bill..."
ProSense
Oct 2013
#136
When you advocate having the constitutional process subverted by force of arms
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#10
I'm sorry, but shutting down the government because they don't like Obamacare
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#25
So accept votes for stop-gap bills. VIOLA! You aren't holding out for politics, are you?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#30
No, you only care about now because you practice totalitarian political thuggery.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#100
Oh and, my idea may not sound progressive (not that I really give a shit)
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#77
I'm not the one ruining the United States of America so people can't get
Downtown Hound
Oct 2013
#91
You want to destroy everything about America: free speech, right to dissent, political process
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2013
#102
It's not the first time. In fact, I've always thought we agreed far more than we disagreed.
onenote
Oct 2013
#62
You ask what the penalty should be, censure for refusing to allow the house to vote. /nt
lostincalifornia
Oct 2013
#9
Even if they fold and raise that debt limit, the government will remain shut down.
Agnosticsherbet
Oct 2013
#20