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skepticscott

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20. Now you're getting it
Mon Oct 21, 2013, 04:00 PM
Oct 2013

It's not that the spying is morally pure, but that all major powers do it to both their "friends" and their enemies, and the outrage when one country gets caught at it is just phony diplomatic bullshit.

Good Question cantbeserious Oct 2013 #1
What does this mean for trade secret protection and patent violations? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #2
Not to mention... ReRe Oct 2013 #6
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #3
The outrage is obligatory skepticscott Oct 2013 #4
Le Monde began working on the Snowden documents in August apparently JDPriestly Oct 2013 #7
France hoovers up 70 million of our phone calls every month? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #28
Since I didn't say that skepticscott Oct 2013 #31
You said "France gathers intelligence on their allies just as we do." Ace Acme Oct 2013 #32
Since you seem to have trouble skepticscott Oct 2013 #37
There's gathering intelligence and gathering intelligence Ace Acme Oct 2013 #43
Ah, so then there is some level of spying skepticscott Oct 2013 #48
No, not even fucking close to "just as we do". duh. cali Oct 2013 #36
See post 37 skepticscott Oct 2013 #38
it's your head that's under water, my friend cali Oct 2013 #40
Try again skepticscott Oct 2013 #47
Every world citizen dotymed Oct 2013 #5
And published just as Kerry arrives in France. Coincidence? Not again. randome Oct 2013 #8
Damn that Greenwald, how dare he... JackRiddler Oct 2013 #11
He has an agenda. That becomes more and more obvious. randome Oct 2013 #17
How about this, it is one thing to spy on someone! mrdmk Oct 2013 #18
Keeping copies of phone metadata does not equal 'spying' to me. randome Oct 2013 #19
A government keeping separate records for whatever use in the present and or future mrdmk Oct 2013 #27
They didn't get caught treestar Oct 2013 #42
Good call. ucrdem Oct 2013 #12
Did they ever give an explanation for their spying? jeff47 Oct 2013 #9
Two wrongs don't make a right BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #10
But they do make hypocrisy. jeff47 Oct 2013 #13
Fair enough, but BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #15
There's no indication it stopped. jeff47 Oct 2013 #16
Now you're getting it skepticscott Oct 2013 #20
Phony bullshit? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #21
It's phony diplomatic bullshit skepticscott Oct 2013 #24
False equivilence is the media strategy newthinking Oct 2013 #35
I agree that much if not all of the diplomatic outrage from the EU rings hollow, but BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #22
Update: 70 million calls intercepted in a month, French foreign minister requests US ambassador BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #14
Is it time for Freedom Fries again? Those French ingrates! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #23
Jay Carney gave a perfect explanation for it today. I hope they were tuning in. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #25
Update: "US admits: French surveillance revelations raise 'legitimate questions" BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #26
We've been spying on the French for 250 years treestar Oct 2013 #29
Spying on the French and hoovering up 70 million calls a month are two different propositions Ace Acme Oct 2013 #33
Spying is spying treestar Oct 2013 #41
The difference is huge when improved technology allows wholesale surveillance of innocent people Ace Acme Oct 2013 #44
Who said proportionate amount of innocent people treestar Oct 2013 #45
That's ridiculous Ace Acme Oct 2013 #46
K&R I see the propaganda apologism machine has been here. nt woo me with science Oct 2013 #30
OOppss? Rex Oct 2013 #34
DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #39
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