True, true; but their circumstances were different, and they're different men. (Reply #171)

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Mon Oct 28, 2013, 06:04 PM

IrishAyes (6,151 posts)

171. True, true; but their circumstances were different, and they're different men.

Sweet and beloved as he may be, Bernie's still an old white man, w/o the power of a major party backing him. All the difference in the world, my friend. Also you know Hillary's going to run if she's even breathing at all, and Bernie would have to beat her. Fat chance. He'd only wind up splitting the non-GOP vote and dooming us all.

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"Bernie Sanders talks about...the possibility of a presidential run...." [View all]	steve2470	Oct 2013	OP
pretty please?!	G_j	Oct 2013	#1
Pretty please with a cherry on top?	lark	Oct 2013	#155
I'd enthusiastically join his campaign. n/t	deutsey	Oct 2013	#2
I would too!	PearliePoo2	Oct 2013	#41
I am with you.	dotymed	Oct 2013	#83
+1	daleanime	Oct 2013	#151
Sign me up	MissDeeds	Oct 2013	#187
I would join you.	840high	Oct 2013	#96
I would love to see a President Sanders	Bjorn Against	Oct 2013	#3
Well then how about me?	rwsanders	Oct 2013	#133
How would that square with DU policy? n/t	TekGryphon	Oct 2013	#4
Once upon a time in DUland, DU claimed to for liberals and progressives including greens	HereSince1628	Oct 2013	#7
speculating about a run is probably fine; an actual run would probably be different	el_bryanto	Oct 2013	#8
Obviously he'd need to declare as a Democrat.	AAO	Oct 2013	#12
Why? Bernie caucuses with Dems. If he runs he should run as he is. To change	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#42
They were talking about being able to support him according to DU rules	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#60
Yes you can. DU supported a non Dem over a Dem in Florida not so long ago.	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#103
I explained that exception in my response to you. That would not apply here.	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#109
Well, the general population are the ones who will decide.	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#126
Well stated, sabrina.	red dog 1	Oct 2013	#201
PPR = Pepperoni Pizza Relief?	AAO	Oct 2013	#165
I'll vote for him regardless of party but he'd have a better chance as a dem	AAO	Oct 2013	#64
That is so sad.	dotymed	Oct 2013	#91
Has nothing to do with "people put party first". Just because you cannot advocate for him on DU	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#111
I'm sorry if the turth hurts. Have a nice day!	AAO	Oct 2013	#129
Your version of "the truth" is what is sad. n/t	dotymed	Oct 2013	#194
And a big n/t to you too! HAVE A GOOD DAY!	AAO	Oct 2013	#198
Yes, it is sad. Although I doubt that is the popular view. Today's younger	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#170
Bernie wouldn't be attacked by "both" sides.	bvar22	Oct 2013	#154
If he ran, whether as a Dem of Dem Socialist, DUers could fully support him.	morningfog	Oct 2013	#14
All of his supporters will promptly be banned	Renew Deal	Oct 2013	#43
So be it.	whatchamacallit	Oct 2013	#75
That would be what?	daleanime	Oct 2013	#153
Something like that I imagine	whatchamacallit	Oct 2013	#164
It was ok for Charlie Crist	RandiFan1290	Oct 2013	#71
Which was an exception in a case where the Democrat had no chance.	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#118
There is currently a Bernie exception	hootinholler	Oct 2013	#84
Which is exactly why if he runs I think he will run as a Democrat. Bernie is well aware...	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#119
The Crist exception!	Capt. Obvious	Oct 2013	#98
K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!! K&R !!!	RKP5637	Oct 2013	#5
I'd love a President Sanders, but I think we all know that's not going to happen. BUT.......	kestrel91316	Oct 2013	#6
What would be the point? He has more power in the Senate. nt	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#17
And it would be a waste of his energy if Dems and Liberals did not have majorities.	glinda	Oct 2013	#54
+1	cui bono	Oct 2013	#113
That's what they said about Obama.	grahamhgreen	Oct 2013	#134
that is not going to happen. lol.	okieinpain	Oct 2013	#174
Omg I hope sooooooo	newfie11	Oct 2013	#9
This place will be incredibly insufferable	nadinbrzezinski	Oct 2013	#10
The Sensible Centrists here would have to invent a pole dancing girlfriend and gather the pitchforks	Dragonfli	Oct 2013	#49
As I remember the fight over the ACA,	dotymed	Oct 2013	#94
Bernie's position on the ACA mirrors my own. [n/t]	Maedhros	Oct 2013	#131
Mine too n/t	dotymed	Oct 2013	#193
I'll support him with everything I've got!	AAO	Oct 2013	#11
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Oct 2013	#13
He'd have my support! nt	Demo_Chris	Oct 2013	#15
I'm in.	AtomicKitten	Oct 2013	#16
Fortunately Sanders has more sense than to run	Gman	Oct 2013	#18
Are you accusing Sanders, or those who would campaign for a liberal,	R. Daneel Olivaw	Oct 2013	#36
Wrong, he would unite this party like no one else could. I hope he runs	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#44
If I could hand pick someone to be president it would be Sanders	Gman	Oct 2013	#46
Yes, but those who make these decisions are not particularly fond of real	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#47
You are one of those who make those decisions with your vote. You're not fond of progressives?	stevenleser	Oct 2013	#120
??	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#127
Dont you think that money can influence the grassroots people? Dont you agree that	rhett o rick	Oct 2013	#152
"The Grass Roots"	bvar22	Oct 2013	#156
TESTIFY brother! (or sister)...	druidity33	Oct 2013	#167
Thats not the first time...	bvar22	Oct 2013	#169
That senator from IL was a centrist then and now.	Beacool	Oct 2013	#116
The problem I see is that the Democratic Party would never let him win a primary if	rhett o rick	Oct 2013	#99
I think the people just have to ignore the political class from on, they've been	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#102
The Powers To Be (PTB) will not let a populace candidate win the presidency.	rhett o rick	Oct 2013	#150
you mean the Democratic party allowed Obama and not Hillary to win the primary?	KittyWampus	Oct 2013	#110
How do you think he won? nm	rhett o rick	Oct 2013	#149
Technically that's true.	Beacool	Oct 2013	#191
If Bernie ran for president	RoccoR5955	Oct 2013	#19
"Wow. If Bernie ran...DU would go crazy ! I was amazed to read this."	Phlem	Oct 2013	#20
I love Bernie…… nt	Grey	Oct 2013	#21
I would enthusiastically support him and volunteer for his campaign	Marrah_G	Oct 2013	#22
he would be	maindawg	Oct 2013	#23
That would be a consideration I would think.....	socialist_n_TN	Oct 2013	#45
Sadly that is probably	TBF	Oct 2013	#80
Just think, though, of his progressive ideas having a national exposure.....'Twould be fascinating!	northoftheborder	Oct 2013	#24
Sanders Warren has a ring to it	zeemike	Oct 2013	#25
Warren, Sanders, Grayson......they're all okay with me. It's about time we had a progressive in	Cal33	Oct 2013	#31
In The Primaries He Would Be The Only Candidate....	global1	Oct 2013	#26
+1. Far too often, it's only the no-hopers who are willing to speak unvarnished truth. n/t	winter is coming	Oct 2013	#57
k&r	idwiyo	Oct 2013	#27
I love him dearly, but isn't he a little old to run?	Bette Noir	Oct 2013	#28
No he isn't too old to run. He appears to me to be in better shape both	sabrina 1	Oct 2013	#105
As I said in another thread on this topic, sometime you don't run to win, sometimes.........	socialist_n_TN	Oct 2013	#29
he'd get my vote, but he'd	DesertFlower	Oct 2013	#30
K & R !!!	WillyT	Oct 2013	#32
Go Bernie	gopiscrap	Oct 2013	#33
"But what I do think is there needs to be a progressive voice in the presidential process." YES!	polichick	Oct 2013	#34
Shut up and take my money!	tkmorris	Oct 2013	#35
Love Bernie to pieces, but he hasn't got a snowball's chance on a hot griddle to get in the WH	IrishAyes	Oct 2013	#37
Neither did Obama:)	grahamhgreen	Oct 2013	#135
True, true; but their circumstances were different, and they're different men.	IrishAyes	Oct 2013	#171
Omg!! That would be awesome	blondie58	Oct 2013	#38
Big K&R! nt	snappyturtle	Oct 2013	#39
K&R	woo me with science	Oct 2013	#40
He's too short to be elected, and too smart to want it.	Egalitarian Thug	Oct 2013	#48
Be still, my heart!	LiberalAndProud	Oct 2013	#50
As interesting as that sounds, it'll never happen	George II	Oct 2013	#51
Why be a nay-sayer on something so crucial? nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2013	#137
I'm not being a naysayer, I'm being practical - why waste energy on something that is close....	George II	Oct 2013	#142
Yes	99th_Monkey	Oct 2013	#147
i can do sanders as long as he runs dem and doesnt split vote. nt	seabeyond	Oct 2013	#52
Would the Dems have him? He seems to be to the left of the party as far as most	GreenPartyVoter	Oct 2013	#53
i think he could make it as a dem. i do not think what he says is out there. he is pretty right on	seabeyond	Oct 2013	#56
That's right, Bernie is far from an extremist, unless you get you news from Rush or Fucks.	AAO	Oct 2013	#65
Sanders - Castro / 2016	watoos	Oct 2013	#55
Sanders and which Castro?	xfundy	Oct 2013	#76
Julian Castro.	beerandjesus	Oct 2013	#92
Please explain how a Bernie Sanders wins...	brooklynite	Oct 2013	#58
I'm just relaying information here	steve2470	Oct 2013	#59
He would most likely win the same states as Hillary Clinton would, maybe a few more even.	Zorra	Oct 2013	#63
Settle down	RandiFan1290	Oct 2013	#73
He doesn't. And winning is important but so is influencing positions	cali	Oct 2013	#95
Hillary would not be pushed to the left. She may be forced to talk more progressive during	NorthCarolina	Oct 2013	#195
Another "only establishment/corporate candidates can win" post...	polichick	Oct 2013	#112
By no means...	brooklynite	Oct 2013	#121
You've posted a lot about "electability" - always suggesting the establishment candidate...	polichick	Oct 2013	#122
I make an informed choice based on the options available.	brooklynite	Oct 2013	#124
We have NO idea who's running yet - Clinton hasn't even announced...	polichick	Oct 2013	#125
Don't want to disappoint you...	brooklynite	Oct 2013	#136
What "exacting standards?" - a Dem that represents the people...	polichick	Oct 2013	#140
If this 'we know who can win and who can't' crap had any merit, we'd never lose, but we do.	Bluenorthwest	Oct 2013	#115
OMG! I saw the reply subject line and thought of you.	Wilms	Oct 2013	#138
are you serious, its not the winning that matters	okieinpain	Oct 2013	#173
Count me as a volunteer, Bernie.	Wilms	Oct 2013	#61
EEK!! A Fringe, EmoProg, Impractical, 3rd Party, SOCIALIST!!	Tierra_y_Libertad	Oct 2013	#62
I'd volunteer!	JDPriestly	Oct 2013	#66
Talk About Dysfunctional Government...	KharmaTrain	Oct 2013	#67
Bravo.	xfundy	Oct 2013	#77
Rush et al would be screaming SOCIALIST COMMUNIST from the top of their lungs constantly	steve2470	Oct 2013	#78
You're right, but the funny thing is.....	beerandjesus	Oct 2013	#93
It will be a bit tougher for them though, because Bernie is White. nt	NorthCarolina	Oct 2013	#196
The Righties® have already screamed, "Socialist!" if I'm not mistaken.	Enthusiast	Oct 2013	#85
He should run as a Democrat	dreamnightwind	Oct 2013	#68
^^^THIS^^^. nt	NorthCarolina	Oct 2013	#197
I'm ready to write my first check to the "Sanders for President" campaign	OutNow	Oct 2013	#69
Go Bernie!! All the Way!!	Stevepol	Oct 2013	#70
He would run as a socialist, be honest, what do you think his chances would be?	B Calm	Oct 2013	#72
Few Southern Indiana redneck hicks would vote for anyone to the left of Genghis Kahn.	Enthusiast	Oct 2013	#86
If Bernie announced a presidential run,	Le Taz Hot	Oct 2013	#74
"I would LOVE to have someone to vote FOR for once."	Enthusiast	Oct 2013	#87
I Wish. nt	NorthCarolina	Oct 2013	#79
Him just running would pull the debate to the left.	bravenak	Oct 2013	#81
This is true, bravenak.	Enthusiast	Oct 2013	#88
Yeah, they'd have to change the debate rules yet again and raise the polling percentage	cui bono	Oct 2013	#114
Bernie!	AzDar	Oct 2013	#82
K&R! By God, I love Bernie Sanders!	Enthusiast	Oct 2013	#89
Oh Bernie	Autumn	Oct 2013	#90
please please please please please please please please please please please please please please	Nanjing to Seoul	Oct 2013	#97
As a (half-) Jew I'd like to point out the Elephant In The Room	HomerRamone	Oct 2013	#100
OMG Sanders/Warren oh please oh please oh please oh please!!!!	CarrieLynne	Oct 2013	#101
That would be wonderful!	polichick	Oct 2013	#117
Yes!	AndyA	Oct 2013	#104
This would be so awesome!!	Myrina	Oct 2013	#106
Do it man, do it!	JimboBillyBubbaBob	Oct 2013	#107
If Bernie Runs	fredamae	Oct 2013	#108
OMG!	avaistheone1	Oct 2013	#123
This message was self-deleted by its author	tconer	Oct 2013	#128
OMG!! Yes yes Bernie. Just DO IT. with Warren as VP. ~nt~	99th_Monkey	Oct 2013	#130
I love Bernie, but he stands no chance in the generals... nt	Adrahil	Oct 2013	#132
Not true - he's very popular among independents and R's In Vermont & NH.	grahamhgreen	Oct 2013	#139
I'd like to believe he stands a chance, but I just can't see him winning in VA and OH... do you? nt	Adrahil	Oct 2013	#145
Absolutely. His positions are the same as the majority in both those states. Just	grahamhgreen	Oct 2013	#159
If he runs, I'll hear him out.	Adrahil	Oct 2013	#160
Sanders / Warren OR	ChiciB1	Oct 2013	#141
WOW.	bvar22	Oct 2013	#143
George McGovern won MA. That's it. MA for a whopping total of 17 electoral votes.	Tarheel_Dem	Oct 2013	#144
How long ago was that? 40 years.........	socialist_n_TN	Oct 2013	#181
And ideologues are always losing!	Tarheel_Dem	Oct 2013	#184
Wishful Thinking, And I'd Support Bernie on the drop of a dime..	2banon	Oct 2013	#146
oh, please please please! That would mean I would actually get to vote for a democrat in the	liberal_at_heart	Oct 2013	#148
If nothing else, that would cinch up his Ben & Jerry's flavor.	KamaAina	Oct 2013	#157
Bernie would have to change parties, as he ran as an independant	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2013	#158
With Howard Dean running the party, Sanders/Warren or Sanders/Castro would have a rat's ass chance.	ancianita	Oct 2013	#161
I love Bernie all to heck...but,	SpankMe	Oct 2013	#162
It's A Nice Thing To Contemplate	colsohlibgal	Oct 2013	#163
The DNC would trun him into Herman Caine.	AAO	Oct 2013	#166
LOL...watch the DLC/Third Way sycophants squirm..such fun!	antigop	Oct 2013	#168
dukakis part two. lol.	okieinpain	Oct 2013	#172
He's seventy two years old. Anything could happen but I'd be surprised. nt	MADem	Oct 2013	#175
I like him in the senate	lordsummerisle	Oct 2013	#176
K & R!!!! Bernie Sanders for President!!!!! Sounds WONDERFUL, somebody pinch me!	mother earth	Oct 2013	#177
Sanders is right on the issues, but inspires little confidence as a leader.	True Blue Door	Oct 2013	#178
Please, he inspires great confidence in all of us, he'd be wonderful & if he runs...it will be the	mother earth	Oct 2013	#179
Passion is not magic.	True Blue Door	Oct 2013	#180
Spoken by someone who clearly has not experienced passion, so sad. Though you are right,	mother earth	Oct 2013	#199
I'm passionately rational, and rationally passionate.	True Blue Door	Oct 2013	#202
I'm with you TBD, but don't you see? The reality is that IF things were not corrupt & up for grabs	mother earth	Oct 2013	#203
I'm with you too, but think of it like this.	True Blue Door	Oct 2013	#204
If enough people were #6, we'd fight and WIN guys like Kucinich & Sanders, it's not	mother earth	Oct 2013	#205
Progressivism has to be reality-based to succeed, and that's always been true.	True Blue Door	Oct 2013	#206
No, the word for all politicians under the status quo is superfluous, the system is the problem, not	mother earth	Nov 2013	#207
I'm afraid you're posing a false dilemma	True Blue Door	Nov 2013	#208
+1. Welcome to DU!	Tarheel_Dem	Oct 2013	#185
As much as I like Bernie and would vote for him if I lived in Vermont	gejohnston	Oct 2013	#182
I like Bernie a lot, but...	DissidentVoice	Oct 2013	#183
If Senator Sanders runs, I will support him with all my heart, all my soul and all my mind	Douglas Carpenter	Oct 2013	#186
+1000	MissDeeds	Oct 2013	#189
Sen. Sander's economic message resonates with almost everyone across the entire political spectrum	Douglas Carpenter	Oct 2013	#188
ABSOLUTELY!!!!	mother earth	Oct 2013	#200
I would donate! His voice needs to be heard!	Hulk	Oct 2013	#190
Sanders/Warren would be awesome! :) nt	silvershadow	Oct 2013	#192

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