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DissidentVoice

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57. Then it's time, indeed long PAST time, to bring the "paradigm" to a crashing end!

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:51 PM

Oct 2013

I have long been an advocate of "starving the beast," to borrow a term from the odious Grover Norquist.

In this case, the "beast" is the corrupt health care non-system that has been propped up by the Republican Party and complicit Democrats for far, far, too long.

Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE - must STOP paying the extortionate insurance premiums and medical bills.

I am currently making my first strike, by going head-to-head with a hospital collection department. I have Medicare, thank God.

I am taking the position that what Medicare has paid them for a procedure is QUITE ENOUGH. If they want to go to court with it, it will be very bad PR for them...a disabled veteran on Medicare being taken to court over $45.00.

I have already been face-to-face with them and basically told to leave.

Am I saying I'll "win?" No.

But every resistance movement has to start SOMEWHERE.

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We need single payer [View all] boston bean Oct 2013 OP

hear hear! mike_c Oct 2013 #1

Listening to people say, so what if it costs you more, or mine is cheaper... boston bean Oct 2013 #9

Right there with you, AND in addition to being more egalitarian... bvar22 Oct 2013 #101

It's inevitable. nt onehandle Oct 2013 #2

It's incompatible NoOneMan Oct 2013 #35

Then it's time, indeed long PAST time, to bring the "paradigm" to a crashing end! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #57

That's the point! ;) grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #97

I second this. Cleita Oct 2013 #3

+1 A Public Option could have been a baby step leftstreet Oct 2013 #4

We have just taken the first step toward single payer. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #5

+1 DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #28

I don't see a step toward single payer. ronnie624 Oct 2013 #82

That the RW and Corporations hate is proves that it's the right thing to do. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #86

It's taken me a while, but I agree with you now and nowadays, I always call it ACA tavalon Oct 2013 #84

I agree riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #6

And we can exploit the ACA to get there. jeff47 Oct 2013 #7

Although some Democrats might object to "exploiting"... BlueEye Oct 2013 #81

I wish I had seen this to begin with tavalon Oct 2013 #85

We will get there. In 2017 the individual states will be able to set up their own single payer. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #8

But we gots the bestest health care in teh world! progressoid Oct 2013 #10

Isn't he going to be surprised when he flees to Canada? Myrina Oct 2013 #71

ITA, Boston Bean. I think I know how we can get there... DevonRex Oct 2013 #11

I'm going to pray you are right, cause I'm exasperated by the whole thing. boston bean Oct 2013 #13

Just the way you and I have been talking. We TRIED it their way. Really tried. And not DevonRex Oct 2013 #42

I think single payer is inevitable too, for every reason under the sun, sustainability & clarity. nt mother earth Oct 2013 #16

Do you have the link? nt ecstatic Oct 2013 #80

Okay, how do you propose to get there? brooklynite Oct 2013 #12

The OP is a classic false dichotomy mistake Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #14

What's a Bismarck system? cyberswede Oct 2013 #17

What are the deductibles and copays in the German system? n/t Fumesucker Oct 2013 #41

I had to look that one up, isn't that what we really are saying by "single payer"? mother earth Oct 2013 #19

When you mentioned "Bismarck," I looked it up and learned something. Maat Oct 2013 #27

K & R, single payer is the best option, we don't need the middleman & we certainly don't need all mother earth Oct 2013 #15

Single payer is inferior Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #18

State your reasons, we are listening...I posted the qualities above that I like. mother earth Oct 2013 #20

Seems to work just fine for LittleGirl Oct 2013 #23

I love tri-care, but then I'm biased - VA saved my life a year ago. If its good enough for me ... marble falls Oct 2013 #70

Tri-care is for military & veterans, right? They EARNED it. MH1 Oct 2013 #73

We earned it, but everybody else needs it and deserves it. marble falls Oct 2013 #74

Many of them could get off their asses and out from behind their keyboards MH1 Oct 2013 #77

I agree: single payer for all, and manditory two year national service, not necessarily military. marble falls Oct 2013 #78

You're being given a golden ticket to explain your position to a bunch of really smart people tavalon Oct 2013 #87

I wish. One MRI ordered that is not needed - but profitable to the orderer- will eat up any savings. Hoyt Oct 2013 #30

Yes, we do! libodem Oct 2013 #21

I agree RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #22

Of course we do, and it is criminal that we have not got it! DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #24

DLC/Third Way bullshit Enthusiast Oct 2013 #33

Do you mean the ACA? DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #43

While I'm happy to have the ACA Enthusiast Oct 2013 #63

I believe we are going to be stuck with the Mandate to BUY... bvar22 Oct 2013 #102

It's very hard to see it any other way. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #104

It treats human being's health care as a commodity, and while I will give nothing sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #25

The ACA is a flimsy band-aid on a fucked up beyond repair health care system quinnox Oct 2013 #26

it's just a stepping stone, not the answer passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #29

I'm not a huge ACA fan but a2liberal Oct 2013 #60

And those of us with supposed cadillac insurance (never seemed all that great to me) tavalon Oct 2013 #88

I agree on the Cadillac insurance thing a2liberal Oct 2013 #93

thanks for posting this passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #108

You're welcome :) (n/t) a2liberal Nov 2013 #110

K&R! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #31

Well, even in a single payer scenario, I'd expect that those who glowing Oct 2013 #32

Single payer is not based on a person's wealth. ConcernedCanuk Oct 2013 #53

I agree Enthusiast, but passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #34

This State Is Working Toward The Nation's First Universal Health Care System IronLionZion Oct 2013 #36

Yes! passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #38

Once California gets it, the rest of the country will follow suit IronLionZion Oct 2013 #39

Got it! passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #47

Well, of course it would be Vermont tavalon Oct 2013 #89

I'm disapointed that dental care is not included Left Coast2020 Oct 2013 #37

Spoke to... DirtyDawg Oct 2013 #40

Its all a silly game maindawg Oct 2013 #44

Yep. Seeing all these threads today makes that abundantly clear. marmar Oct 2013 #45

This concept causes extreme cognitive dissonance for those whom "got theirs" Corruption Inc Oct 2013 #46

+1000000000000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #48

Agreed! ourfuneral Oct 2013 #49

If the truth were to be told, healthcare.gov really should be renamed healthinsurance.gov.... xocet Oct 2013 #50

agree 100% Jake2413 Oct 2013 #51

All Democrat's should be out there saying "Health Insurance is not equal to Health Care" harun Oct 2013 #52

K&R Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #54

And let us not forget the two most important points BlueStreak Oct 2013 #55

Single payer would keep doctors and hospitals from picking and choosing which insurance they'll take Blaukraut Oct 2013 #56

If we keep Senate, and make Nancy Pelosi Speaker, Left Coast2020 Oct 2013 #58

How the hell is anyone going to get rich that way? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #59

we need to elect people... stillcool Oct 2013 #61

This is the problem right now passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #62

we need a system that encourages health. tomp Oct 2013 #64

I totally agree with you. n/t NealK Oct 2013 #65

K&R deutsey Oct 2013 #66

Agreed. I want to see a good basic health care for all - TBF Oct 2013 #67

when the bottom line is guaranteed profit, not health reddread Oct 2013 #68

I kind of naively asked that once about a year ago ... polly7 Oct 2013 #69

Get all the info right here for an excellent solution >>>> Roland99 Oct 2013 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #75

I would amend "cost the same" with this: MH1 Oct 2013 #76

We'd still have to pay into it, and I'm pretty sure it would be on a sliding scale ecstatic Oct 2013 #79

The insurance companies are terrified that we will figure out we don't really need the middle man tavalon Oct 2013 #83

Health insurance employs millions DaveJ Oct 2013 #91

You don't think there will be plenty of front end jobs in Medicare for All? tavalon Oct 2013 #106

This doesn't look "terrified" to me. bvar22 Oct 2013 #103

K & R historylovr Oct 2013 #90

Yes, you do Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #92

The concept is golden. riqster Oct 2013 #94

I'll bump every single post. It's inevitable. All this horse hockey would have been avoided, from grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #95

Yes. n/t Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #96

Any right-wing society, such as this, will primarily promote the welfare of the uber-wealthy indepat Oct 2013 #98

+1,000,000 I have been saying this since I came to the US gopiscrap Oct 2013 #99

It's Single Payer.... Moe Shinola Oct 2013 #100

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #105

rec 203 warrprayer Oct 2013 #107

I agree with what many are saying about the ACA being a starting point davidpdx Nov 2013 #109