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MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. We'll wait a long time, I suspect. The best hope is gains by steady inches, not by leaps and
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

bounds.

Any time you go too far in one direction or the other, you have people who feel bitter, resentful, not-listened-to, and disenfranchised. You've got to pull those people along, and that takes time, because a lot of them have been sold a bill of goods, and they will feel foolish for a bit while they process the fact that they've been fucked over by their "heroes." Trying to shove an agenda down their throats just won't work. They'll dig in and double down, rather than admit they were deceived. Looking for a "savior" who will "talk sense" to the masses and make them see things your way just isn't going to happen.

There's a real divide in this country. A lot of the wingnuts on the right feel that anytime you give a poor person something, it TAKES something from them. They don't realize that what it "takes" is the likelihood that they will get robbed, burgled or otherwise ripped off by people who are desperate in their poverty. Their likelihood of injury or death by violence goes down with every person lifted out of poverty. People who are doing well are far less likely to engage in petty, or other, thefts, or any other crimes, for that matter. So these folks on the right with their "I've got MINE" 'tudes need to be disabused of that notion, and once they see the ACA working, they just might start to grab a clue.

Once the ACA takes hold, people will eventually figure out that it's a good deal, and they'll embrace it. It will become the paradigm, and then the trick will be to take it to the next level, and "offer" a government-centered program. If that works well, people will migrate on their own.

I think a lot of people just don't realize that even passing the ACA was a HUGE game-changer (well, a few people realized it--those assholes who kept trying to repeal it forty times in the House). It is going to change the way people think and feel about the role of government (albeit government-lite) in our lives. No more "drowning in the bathtub" talk--now it'll be more about "A rising tide lifts all boats."

It's not going to happen in a minute, though, it's going to take a while--we have a long journey down a rough road. It's more important, IMO, to support the folks who are trying to shepherd us down that long road, rather than b-word at them that the process isn't happening fast enough. The nation isn't going to suddenly lurch to the left and the whole process of pulling them towards a more just society where everyone has a modicum of dignity in their lives ain't gonna happen any faster; we need to nudge, not shove, and when possible, praise, not blame. All excessive griping or infighting does is give the far right something to sink their teeth into (see, the left doesn't like it EITHER, e.g.) and give them cheap shot opportunities at trying out the "Divide and Conquer" game.

Probably TLDR, this essay, but it's my POV on the issue!

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Yes, hell yes. Autumn Oct 2013 #1
It's easy enough to say that I would since I think it's not likely el_bryanto Oct 2013 #2
Were he the Democratic nominee, unhesitatingly Recursion Oct 2013 #3
the question I am asking people is - if he was seeking the Democratic nomination would you support Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #6
Oh, sorry, I totally misunderstood your question Recursion Oct 2013 #7
Why, would he be a different person if he changed the letter after his name? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #26
He wouldn't be a different person Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #74
Good point. That is where my vote stands. joshcryer Oct 2013 #67
Yes, I would support Bernie - volunteer and contribute money too, but... polichick Oct 2013 #4
I selected pass NuclearDem Oct 2013 #5
Now that's great. I would join right in, and my knees are Autumn Oct 2013 #8
Ha! That's what I would do if he won. polichick Oct 2013 #9
I could see him run against Hillary as Biden ran against Obama -- then being chosen as her VP. ancianita Oct 2013 #10
Absolutely. Sanders is what a standard Democrat should be. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #11
So true - and sad for all of us. polichick Oct 2013 #12
1000% true, that - on every level. Thanks. closeupready Oct 2013 #70
And in reality he isn't fringe at all. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #76
I would prefer Hillary Clinton (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #13
Curious as to why... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #17
Mostly her vast experience in both foreign and domestic policy. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #22
thanks. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #24
Even though, on foreign policy, she's an unquestioning supporter of the right-wing status quo? Ken Burch Oct 2013 #29
Scoop Jackson in a pantsuit is not a pretty mental image. n/t Chan790 Oct 2013 #35
Bourbon can help, my friend. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #41
But not enough, unfortunately.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #77
Well, Bernie Sanders voted in favor of confirming her as Secretary of State. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #38
I'm thinking Bernie believes that the president should get most of his appointees confirmed. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #40
I vote with Nye - Hillary! OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #51
I only vote for Democrats. nt onehandle Oct 2013 #14
The OP was talking about Bernie running in the Dem primaries...at least that was my understanding. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #42
No. He is too old (72) and he will not win. I will vote for the Democrat, always. MADem Oct 2013 #15
he could conceivably take the approach that his campaign - win or lose could possibly alter Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #46
Yes--his candidacy would alter the paradigm, and throw the election to Chris Christie, MADem Oct 2013 #48
My OP asks if Sen. Sanders agreed to seek the Democratic Party nomination - would people support Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #52
That will NEVER happen because the DNC would not give it to him. He is not a Democrat. MADem Oct 2013 #53
I only know that he said that he has not ruled it out. I don't know if he would seriously Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #54
Let's go to that link where that foolish flag was raised, shall we? MADem Oct 2013 #55
maybe it is a leftwing pipe dream - or maybe it is possible that he recognizes that no one else is Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #56
He's more pragmatic. Age does bring wisdom, and he is a septuagenarian. MADem Oct 2013 #58
you are probably right... but I cannot help but ask myself ..how long will we have to wait for Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #59
We'll wait a long time, I suspect. The best hope is gains by steady inches, not by leaps and MADem Oct 2013 #61
Go Bernie! Bernie / Warren 2016! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #16
What a great combo! Too good to be true? Probably, but it sure... polichick Oct 2013 #19
I would go to WORK to get them elected... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #20
If that was our ticket I'd give up sex to work on the campaign instead! Scuba Oct 2013 #37
Heh-heh! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #44
+100000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #73
Oh dangerous poll nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #18
I think it's unlikely Sanders would shift from independent to democrat HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #21
He'd be another Nader treestar Oct 2013 #23
The OP specified it was about Bernie running as a Dem, not third-party. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #30
I would support him even if he ran as an independent or as a demsocialist, morningfog Oct 2013 #25
Why not ask me if I would vote for Mr Magoo in 2020? rock Oct 2013 #27
for those of us bent on ending Hillary before she can declare... Chan790 Oct 2013 #36
I am a Democrat.. and I do not apologize for it Peacetrain Oct 2013 #28
the question I am asking people is - if Sen. Sanders were to seek the Democratic Party nomination - Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #47
I'm voting for Joe krawhitham Oct 2013 #31
Absolutely YES!!! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #32
He's not a Democrat. n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #33
Unless Liz Warren is running n/t hootinholler Oct 2013 #34
Absolutely TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #39
Depends on who else is running quinnox Oct 2013 #43
Currently 79% for Sanders to run for President. Wilms Oct 2013 #45
If he ran I would do almost anything to help as long as he's the top of the ticket. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #49
He'll get my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #50
He would be a great addition for the debates, but couldn't win. I hope he runs simply to grantcart Oct 2013 #57
I would support Sanders only until he loses the nomination.. fadedrose Oct 2013 #60
Running Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee beaglelover Oct 2013 #62
Bernie would get my vote (nt) bigwillq Oct 2013 #63
I would leave the country, because it would mean a GOP President scheming daemons Oct 2013 #64
I think Bernie Sanders' economic message resonates with almost everybody except the rich. I doubt Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #65
bread and butter issues. That is what the people are hungry to hear from our leaders. A liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #75
Bernie! AzDar Oct 2013 #66
well 83% of DU would support Bernie in the primaries - I hope he sees this Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #68
You mean a guy who will represent the 99% instead of the 1% (like HRC)? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #69
The Hillary blitzkrieg yesterday is making me hope more and more that Bernie will run. marmar Oct 2013 #71
I'd crawl through broken glass to see him elected. woo me with science Oct 2013 #72
Only one problem with Bernie, he would not run as a democrat B Calm Nov 2013 #78
nationwide as any kind of third party - his chances would be no more than 0% Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #80
why support a candidate that would give the presidency to the republicans...same nader beachbum bob Nov 2013 #79
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