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rrneck

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Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:05 PM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 23, 2013, 01:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Why don't you summarize them and explain them. Can you do that?

The use of media is a collaborative effort between the artist and the viewer, or in this day and age between the producer and the consumer. They are, as with any other interaction between human beings, a relationship. All media alters our brains because interaction with everything in our environment alters our brains. Television alters our brains just as cave paintings altered our brains fifteen thousand years ago.

The "problem" with certain types of media consumption is not the media but the consumption. Or rather, over consumption. People have been exploring new and interesting ways to insert tab A into slot B since the advent of sex, and they will continue to do so. There is nothing that will halt, or even slow, human innovation in the field of fucking.

Have you read 1984? The dystopian society that Orwell describes is only possible through forced complete immersion in state propaganda. Hence the torture. The problem with seabeyond's OP is that she is proposing to "cure" people's perversions through forced immersion in the media that she feels is so destructive. Not only is it an oxymoron, it is a punitive solution that flies in the face not only of healthy cultural development but liberal ideology as well. The real question is how she came to those conclusions.

The relationship between Fox News and the people who consume it is purely commercial. They are telling people what they want to hear. It's a sort of highly focused banal wish fulfillment just like any other bad art no different from a Thomas Kincaid painting or a trashy romance novel. For such a commercial enterprise over consumption, or addiction, is profitable and total immersion is just another term for market domination.

Of course around here Fox News is always a ready example of all that is evil in the world but there are liberal ideology producers with the same business model - produce heroin content for market domination of peoples confirmation bias. Through it's role in the tremendous social advances in this country, feminism is an important part of liberal politics and liberal ideology. Such success has not gone unnoticed by those who would make a lucrative living telling people what they want to hear and over consumption of liberal ideology is just as pernicious as it's opposite number.

So many of the culture war issues that seem important are little more than the source of a lucrative revenue stream for people who make a living turning ideology into an addictive drug. There is no functional difference between the cheap wish fulfillment peddled by televised talking heads, hyperbolic polemicists, romance novelists or pornographers. It's all pornography one way or another.

The mental gymnastics of some is nothing short of amazing. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #1
It is the same thing they used to do to gay men Warpy Nov 2013 #54
then you disagree that watching massive rape porn, getting off on it will stop rapist from raping? seabeyond Nov 2013 #72
Indeed. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #57
Wasn't that ''Clockwork Orange'' therapy? Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #2
then what would happen instead of adding the painful nausea, one experienced pleasure instead? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #3
Aversion therapy rrneck Nov 2013 #20
and when rewarded with pleasure watching violent rape/torture porn? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #22
It wouldn't work any better than aversion therapy. rrneck Nov 2013 #23
so, you do not agree that rape/torture porn stops rapist from raping? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #25
I don't understand your question. rrneck Nov 2013 #27
i am not asserting this. men on the rape/torture thread are stating this. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #29
Ah. Images don't stop or start anybody from doing anything. rrneck Nov 2013 #34
hm. so, fox news does not effect the watcher? it should be fine to feed our kids whatever media seabeyond Nov 2013 #35
Not the way most people think it does. rrneck Nov 2013 #38
true. what you and i see on fox will not be the same as another. so... rape/torture video. seabeyond Nov 2013 #39
There are police officers whose job it is rrneck Nov 2013 #40
i do not know that for a fact. i wonder seeing all that, how it does effect them. and effect them seabeyond Nov 2013 #41
I'm not aware of anything in Christian theology that rrneck Nov 2013 #42
totally left field.... lol. seabeyond Nov 2013 #43
Your OP is about immersion in information to control behaivor. rrneck Nov 2013 #44
have you read the old testament? but... i am not getting all into this cause it really goes way out seabeyond Nov 2013 #45
That's understandable. rrneck Nov 2013 #48
wtf? if you fail in exchange, do you just create stories? lol. really. wtf??? seabeyond Nov 2013 #50
Working from the premis of your OP. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #56
no seabeyond Nov 2013 #58
So rrneck Nov 2013 #59
Read "Angry White Men" by Michael Kimmel ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #89
I agree with your one point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #90
I haven't read the book rrneck Nov 2013 #238
The wooooooosh you hear chervilant Nov 2013 #222
Nope. rrneck Nov 2013 #235
like Fox news? BainsBane Nov 2013 #161
I asked you for links to those studies rrneck Nov 2013 #231
Studies show a causal link between watching violent porn and committing rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #103
I asked you for links to those studies earlier. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #230
But not for violent video games and violence? oldhippie Nov 2013 #243
I don't know BainsBane Nov 2013 #244
And in the end of the book/movie he id cured of the Ludivico Technique Nika Nov 2013 #36
The film was a masterpiece. Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #220
That was the first thing I thought of... 4 t 4 Nov 2013 #65
major difference. in clock whatever there is a punishment. what men are suggesting is the reward seabeyond Nov 2013 #71
Any kind of Violence is an "Automatic Buzz Kill below the Belt" for me FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #4
me, either. thanks freakin. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #5
So what? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #6
defend, defend, at all cost, .... defend. that has nothing to do with this OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #7
I think it just makes you uncomfortable because DJ was a bit too honest... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #9
firstly, i think dj is a he. secondly, again, your post has nothing to do with OP seabeyond Nov 2013 #10
Peachy for you... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #11
and i was responding to what is in your posts. seabeyond Nov 2013 #14
I didn't tell anyone what to do - but I think they are Fucked Up in the Head FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #13
That damn Shakespeare - what does he know lame54 Nov 2013 #8
ha. talk about the free speech argument. cause the poster says no thanks, he is the one addressed seabeyond Nov 2013 #12
I wasn't answering the OP... lame54 Nov 2013 #15
obviously you were not. so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #16
???... lame54 Nov 2013 #17
" I wasn't answering the OP...", "obviously you were not." so? seabeyond Nov 2013 #18
I have no clue what you are getting at... lame54 Nov 2013 #19
my OP is lame? men in the rape porn thread are saying that watching rape in porn video stops rapist seabeyond Nov 2013 #21
I never said the OP was lame... lame54 Nov 2013 #24
curious what you mean by this post. seabeyond Nov 2013 #26
i should have said my reply was indented... lame54 Nov 2013 #30
clarification is our friend. thank you. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #31
it's all good lame54 Nov 2013 #32
No.. Nobody is saying that at all... opiate69 Nov 2013 #76
It does seem like a fallacy to believe that 'pressure release' or 'blowing off steam' activities Mc Mike Nov 2013 #28
I've responded to a thread by BainsBane JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #33
i read your post. and i agree with what you are saying here. i doubt that they would seabeyond Nov 2013 #37
Therapy? LIKE HELL! It will only reward and enflame them. Good grief, IrishAyes Nov 2013 #46
oh oh... good metaphor. but, we are talking porn, and that is "special". seabeyond Nov 2013 #47
The only thing special about porn is negative - it objectifies women and degrades men too IrishAyes Nov 2013 #55
so many times... seabeyond Nov 2013 #61
While on the other hand artists such as Maxfield Parrish celebrate the beauty of women. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #62
i do not know much about the art world. i walk thru and enjoy the ones that feel good to me, seabeyond Nov 2013 #63
Absolutely. I'd be indebted. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #66
i will look for it in the morning. we had a really good thread on it. seabeyond Nov 2013 #67
Gerald McRaney?? opiate69 Nov 2013 #64
Strange but not the first time I have seen it maddezmom Nov 2013 #68
Oh, come now. That was a low blow. I quoted him because he had a funny way of expressing an idea. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #70
Color me nutty, but... opiate69 Nov 2013 #73
So you've kept closer watch on McRaney than I have; is that any reason for my quoting him once when IrishAyes Nov 2013 #75
I met that guy--spent an evening with him. MADem Nov 2013 #190
Well, unfortunate as the information is, I needed and am glad to have it. Thank you. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #223
I think Kelsey Grammar's politics are in the "right wing nitwit" range. MADem Nov 2013 #246
I enjoy a good "Frasier" marathon as much as anybody... opiate69 Nov 2013 #249
most people i know are republican. when father talks rw garbage, ... meh. when discussing business seabeyond Nov 2013 #253
Sweet jesus.. try to focus on what I actually say, not what you somehow think I say... opiate69 Nov 2013 #259
I know of no correlation between voting behavior BainsBane Nov 2013 #245
Well, I imagine it's a good thing that I never said anything even remotely like that, then. opiate69 Nov 2013 #247
Wasn't Rainey's point about the negative effects of porn? BainsBane Nov 2013 #260
Installment 2.0 of "words strung together that make no damned sense"... opiate69 Nov 2013 #261
Once again, I apologize for thinking your comment had anything BainsBane Nov 2013 #262
But there does tend to be a correlation between voting behavior and opiate69 Nov 2013 #264
Being obsessed with rape porn is probably not good for one's mental health. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #49
agreed. seabeyond Nov 2013 #52
It's starts out with fantasy ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #51
rape is down. lots and lots of men are watching rape porn. ergo, watching rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #53
Somebody was saying that earlier ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #78
ya. they have been saying it for years. and years. and now we have one in this thread saying huh? seabeyond Nov 2013 #79
It was in another thread ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #84
Watching rape porn Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #60
"but it also doesn't encourages someone to do rape." - Have any evidence for that claim? Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #69
I have been seeing rape porn with other types of porn since last 6 years Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #77
Correlation does not equal causation davidn3600 Nov 2013 #88
I would speculate it would be just the opposite, rape porn Rex Nov 2013 #74
i dunno rex. i feel like you. and reading a poster cheer his watching it for 6 yrs... seabeyond Nov 2013 #80
Ewww indeed. Rex Nov 2013 #81
Thank you for judging Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #85
hm. you put your business on a discussion board, boast about your love of rape porn and then are seabeyond Nov 2013 #86
hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #87
I wouldn't worry too much about it. polly7 Nov 2013 #92
Thank you for the support Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #95
ya. your reply to rex does sound as if you are offended. meh... seabeyond Nov 2013 #94
You Assume A Lot...meh.... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #96
i read your words. even the ones to polly. you put out offended then say no. whatever. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #98
If i get offended...i would specifically write it..n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #105
Seems a rather defensive one, never mentioned any names Rex Nov 2013 #226
They endorse rape - wow - here comes another assumption...n/t Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #227
Go cry to the admins about it, like I said I don't care if it rubs you the wrong way. Rex Nov 2013 #228
Why would i complain to admin Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #233
When did I mention your name? Oh wait, I didn't. Feeling guilty much? Rex Nov 2013 #225
Even i did not mention anyone in my original post Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #229
Nice try but I never mentioned you by name you injected yourself into this Rex Nov 2013 #232
Again there is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #234
I'm not confused at all, you seem to be the one confusing rape and rape porn here Rex Nov 2013 #241
hmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #242
lol Adam051188 Nov 2013 #82
actually, there have been a number of threads on exactly what is happening in the UK about rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #83
good luck Adam051188 Nov 2013 #91
When women fantasize about rape, do they then want to actually be raped? Bonobo Nov 2013 #93
when a woman fantasizes about rape, it is NOT rape at all. its totally consensual role play exactly seabeyond Nov 2013 #97
Wow, that is absolutely bizarre. Bonobo Nov 2013 #99
really bonobo? really???? it is that fuckin hard for you to put it together. fuck.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #100
Yes, I honestly do not get it. Bonobo Nov 2013 #101
a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. got it. you gotta get this point. you cant seabeyond Nov 2013 #106
I completely get that. Bonobo Nov 2013 #107
a woman is fatasizing what is being DONE to her. a man is fantasizing what he is DOING to a woman. seabeyond Nov 2013 #108
Wow. polly7 Nov 2013 #110
wow seabeyond Nov 2013 #111
In other words, you can't answer. They were perfectly fine questions. polly7 Nov 2013 #113
no, they were not perfectly fine, .... a waste of time. seabeyond Nov 2013 #115
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here is more of your brilliance. amazing. simply amazing. seabeyond Nov 2013 #119
err ...... polly7 Nov 2013 #121
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #125
Like a post. polly7 Nov 2013 #129
again... just toally friggin amazing. are we done yet? seabeyond Nov 2013 #132
Sorry, what's amazing about wanting personal boundaries respected? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #135
we arent done? no? more? i am done seabeyond Nov 2013 #137
toodles .... nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #138
This is the second thread in as many days when you've been called out for your anti-woman msanthrope Nov 2013 #258
She did the same condescending crap to me in this thread... msanthrope Nov 2013 #254
I see the difference because it is different. Bonobo Nov 2013 #112
you do not get it. i do not know if it is cause you cant or you do not want to. but... i am done. seabeyond Nov 2013 #114
Sorry, that is exactly what I am feeling about you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #116
and your purposeful obtuseness is irritating. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #117
No, it is called consistency. Bonobo Nov 2013 #120
you wont acknowledge, though you readily admit to recognizing, the very basic BIOLOGICAL difference seabeyond Nov 2013 #122
I acknowledge that men have more physical strength usually. Bonobo Nov 2013 #124
that was not the point. i spelled it out repeatedly. seabeyond Nov 2013 #127
Everyone understands, rape fantasies are okay for women, but by your decree banned for men. Kurska Nov 2013 #130
no. dont pat yourself on the back. you do not get it. you are not even close. seabeyond Nov 2013 #134
Well, could you try something besides repeatedly saying x is not x if done by person y. Kurska Nov 2013 #144
At the biological level, that difference exists. Bonobo Nov 2013 #133
oh geeeez bonobo. i am done. you are so far out there. you friend is. this is absurd. night. seabeyond Nov 2013 #136
I tried very hard to reach you halfway. Bonobo Nov 2013 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #240
thank you. simple. i repeat, repeat, i could not get why it was not simple. yes. exactly. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #250
the difference is a safe word FatBuddy Nov 2013 #248
not even the safe word. it is the simple knowledge that is all it is, which makes it nothing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #256
what you wrote makes no sense FatBuddy Nov 2013 #257
"a womans rape fantasy is NOT a RAPE fantasy. " Kurska Nov 2013 #128
and are you seriously going to argue that a woman who has total control over what is happening in seabeyond Nov 2013 #131
What on earth are you talking about? Kurska Nov 2013 #139
this is what you and bonobo do not get. even in fuckin FANTASY the woman is not experiencing rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #141
One of your statements was correct. Bonobo Nov 2013 #145
hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #148
tell me how a woman making all the choices without any fear is anywhere close to what rape is? seabeyond Nov 2013 #154
It's not rape. It's fantasizing about being raped. Bonobo Nov 2013 #156
the person does not want to have sex. does not want sex with that person. is forced. seabeyond Nov 2013 #158
3 points Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #159
oh wow would be hot for someone to forcibly take me... she gave her permission. she is not forcibly seabeyond Nov 2013 #160
Here's another thing that is NOTHING like rape. Bonobo Nov 2013 #162
It is. polly7 Nov 2013 #163
polly, you finally made my point. yes. it is insulting to suggesting role playing is anything at seabeyond Nov 2013 #166
Well you've got that completely backwards. polly7 Nov 2013 #168
no polly. you got it wrong. in so doing, you made my point for me on this thread. funny you. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #174
Do you even read what you write? polly7 Nov 2013 #177
here you go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #180
Unreal. polly7 Nov 2013 #183
the unreal part is your inability to include the part of the sex slaves being forced ... find a seabeyond Nov 2013 #188
Actually. Polly made MY point. Bonobo Nov 2013 #169
Exactly. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #171
omFg. you two. you are so fuckin funny. you tried to be all on his side. i know you did. seabeyond Nov 2013 #176
Nah ....... I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'. polly7 Nov 2013 #179
" I don't try to be on anyone's 'side'.' did you say this straight faced, or do you have a huge, seabeyond Nov 2013 #181
Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #185
you wouldnt be one. seabeyond Nov 2013 #189
lmao! Oh yes I would be. Why so insulting? nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #191
Some of us are able to think and function independently. Is that a novel concept for you? seabeyond Nov 2013 #194
In reply to this: polly7 Nov 2013 #196
you insult me, which i do not give a shit about. i said the same to you and you whine.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #198
Maybe look up at what started it. polly7 Nov 2013 #199
yes polly. each and every post for over two years. abso fuckin lutely. consistently. always. seabeyond Nov 2013 #202
Persecution complex? polly7 Nov 2013 #205
lordy woman... let it go. seabeyond Nov 2013 #209
It's always polite to reply, I try to be nice that way. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #210
no. the confusing of rape is suggesting a "rape" fantasy has anything to do with rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #175
all it is is sex with defined role playing. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #164
Well I was talking about fantasies, but it still brings me to the main question I had for you. Bonobo Nov 2013 #167
well geeez, it only took two fuckin hours and how many fuckin posts to get you to where you seabeyond Nov 2013 #170
Wh-wh-wh-whaaaaaaat!? Bonobo Nov 2013 #173
this... i can agree with you one. i am feeling it a bit myself. night bonobo seabeyond Nov 2013 #178
Oh, I see. Kurska Nov 2013 #150
the person did not want it and was forced? well. that would be.... hm, rape. seabeyond Nov 2013 #155
he/she is saying that Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #172
woman and man agree to pretend to allow man to force her to have sex. lmfao. seabeyond Nov 2013 #184
That's what i am saying Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #187
we agree. there is nothing about rape in that supposed "rape" fantasy but sex with a lot of seabeyond Nov 2013 #193
There is a confusion Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #195
here is the thing. rape is serious shit. to suggest women are into rape is serious shit. seabeyond Nov 2013 #200
I never suggested that women are into real rape Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #203
The scenes that acquaintances have described for me, yes… opiate69 Nov 2013 #263
absurd FatBuddy Nov 2013 #251
Seabeyond, this is where you literally fall of the rails... Bonobo Nov 2013 #140
no. you do NOT get it. no. seabeyond Nov 2013 #143
She has all the control/he has all the control Bonobo Nov 2013 #146
That excuse is pure invention BainsBane Nov 2013 #102
Link to the studies. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #104
Your point is not valid Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #123
You're thinking too small, Ted Bundy drank water Kurska Nov 2013 #126
false BainsBane Nov 2013 #157
Yes, this is what some of the most ridiculous Tumbulu Nov 2013 #109
Agree this along with the claims like Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #151
so you think watching women being brutalized for pleasure has no effect? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #153
why do you always say women Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #165
I have no idea about you and what you do Tumbulu Nov 2013 #236
I am also against Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #239
It doesn't turn peaceful men who like women into rapists BainsBane Nov 2013 #182
Thank you, beautiful reply! nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #237
According to my interpretation of my communication classes, ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #147
+1000 Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #149
I think that is true. Bonobo Nov 2013 #152
All you have are misleading claims and wild conjecture. last1standing Nov 2013 #186
no. what i have are men that say, here on du, that decrease of rape and increase of violent porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #197
I agree with your point Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #201
Every non-biased, scientific study has shown a correlation between viewing porn and aggression. last1standing Nov 2013 #206
ahhhh, here we go. puke. so, you would be for feeding this kid his rape porn seabeyond Nov 2013 #211
Since you're vomiting up comments I never made you might as well vomit up everything else. last1standing Nov 2013 #216
Oh really? ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #218
If you're going to link to that bs by John Briere save your energy. last1standing Nov 2013 #221
i have all kinds of thoughts on that. i have all kinds of ideas why our culture has the rapes seabeyond Nov 2013 #207
different issues Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #217
how about this. seabeyond Nov 2013 #208
why do you assume the my reaction was titillated and getting giggle? Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #213
a right to consider it? seabeyond Nov 2013 #214
yes..ofcourse you have a right to consider it... Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #219
the problem, joel.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #252
No, but I see how very judgmental, misleading and anti-feminist your post is. last1standing Nov 2013 #204
you are one of them. what are you going on about... you. whatever. i mean that sincerely. seabeyond Nov 2013 #212
LOL! There's your modus operandi. Can't argue fact, just call someone a rape apologist. last1standing Nov 2013 #215
hmmm Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #192
Way to impugn the motives of most of DU there! backscatter712 Nov 2013 #224
Yeah, no shit AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #255
Sounds like Clockwork Orange n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #265
wtf? zappaman Nov 2013 #266
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