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sweetapogee

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41. The NYT article linked at the OP
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 03:10 PM
Dec 2013

states that Mr. Shoy made $22.00 when he bought his $500K home, his wife worked as a server. At $22.00/hr., his base pay was around $45K/year when he purchased the home in 2003.

Being math challanged as I am, could someone please explain to me how the Shoy's were approved for a mortgage of that size and how the Shoy's determined that they could afford such a domicile?

My partner and I have a combined income of considerably more than what theirs was in good times. At around the same time frame (2004) we sold our home in NJ (that we had for 19 years) and purchased a new place in PA. Because of the sale of our NJ house we were able to put a big downpayment towards our place which cost $140K. Our income stream has since been uninterupted and our income is higher now but even with a mortgage of around $90K it is at times tight at the end of the month. There has never been 1 minute in the last 10 years when I thought that we messed up by not buying a more expensive house, I'm actually glad we had the disclipline to hold it to $140K.

If someone makes six figures and puts 20% down on a $500K home, the principal payment on the note will be around $1800.00/month for 30 years 3.5% and not including taxes, insurance and escrow. Then there are utilities, food, transportation, clothing, cable tv, entertainment. I think such a borrower would be hard pressed to make it if their salary was $100K. Before taxes, Mr. Shoy made much less, about $3500./month, out of that $1800.00 went to principal/interest on his bank note.

I'm not trying to run salt into someone's bad luck, just trying to understanding the economics. My partner and I, using the Shoy model, should be able to purchase another home in the $140K range as a investment so I look forward to finding out how it's done. BTW, 140K will buy a lot of house here in PA and with 2 houses worth a total $280K we will be at half the Shoy purchase price so this should be possible. All I need is help understanding how it is done.

NYT: Life on $7.25 an Hour [View all] marmar Dec 2013 OP
Made better.... daleanime Dec 2013 #1
It says he is making $43,000/yr penultimate Dec 2013 #17
I am referring to the cut in hours that many minum wage workers are getting... daleanime Dec 2013 #34
The NYT article linked at the OP sweetapogee Dec 2013 #41
He has a house purchased for half a million. LisaL Dec 2013 #2
Read further, he's trying to. smokey nj Dec 2013 #3
In 2003 $500,000 bought a modest... meaculpa2011 Dec 2013 #4
Which he clearly cannot. Of course, it is also true that he should never Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #5
When houses were going up in value by $25,000 to $100,000 a year or more.... Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #22
You've perfectly described the desired perception of the game. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #29
Very True Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #37
That clearly misses the point, though yes he probably is forced to sell it Tom Rinaldo Dec 2013 #6
For 500 k, one can buy a great house in other states. LisaL Dec 2013 #7
It would probably buy a palace LiberalElite Dec 2013 #8
If I were him, I'd sell the house and move. LisaL Dec 2013 #9
Read further - he's trying to. smokey nj Dec 2013 #10
Ever sold a house? I never have, but I've been around people selling their homes penultimate Dec 2013 #15
Yes, a very cheap one and at a loss. LisaL Dec 2013 #16
Selling his house at too much of a loss might put him in an even worse situation. penultimate Dec 2013 #25
Well, excuse me. LisaL Dec 2013 #27
And he may eventually come to a similar conclusion, or maybe he won't penultimate Dec 2013 #31
Yes, I just put up a For Sale sign in the front yard, and three others nearby. Coyotl Dec 2013 #20
Do you work in reality or take courses for it? penultimate Dec 2013 #23
Neither. I just did it. No books. I just read contracts online and edited to my need. Coyotl Dec 2013 #39
Maybe some day you WILL be him. johnp3907 Dec 2013 #43
what makes you think he's getting offers for 500K? the market tanked 4- 5 years ago and there bettyellen Dec 2013 #24
and what do pizza delivery guys make in the boonies? bettyellen Dec 2013 #26
you don't understand NYC real estate. and seem to begrudge him the house. bettyellen Dec 2013 #19
Rather clearly he can't afford it. LisaL Dec 2013 #28
And you clearly couldn't afford one 1/5 of the value. Did you work 80 hours trying to keep it? bettyellen Dec 2013 #32
It's not about me, is it? Even if minimal wage is increased, I very much doubt it will be increased LisaL Dec 2013 #33
when he bought the house he and his wife had better jobs. he is old and trying to sell but bettyellen Dec 2013 #36
When NYT publishes an article about me, we can discuss my house. LisaL Dec 2013 #38
we can discus your house because you brought it up for comparison, LOL. bettyellen Dec 2013 #40
Again, I don't want him to do anything. I don't know the guy. LisaL Dec 2013 #44
you suggested he sell his house and move. your message - suck it up- was received. bettyellen Dec 2013 #47
I am discussing his situation on a message board. LisaL Dec 2013 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author duffyduff Dec 2013 #42
You want him to sell his house at a loss? abelenkpe Dec 2013 #35
No, I don't want him to sell house at a loss. LisaL Dec 2013 #45
Can someone help me make sense of the work hours in the article.? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #11
It could be that he doesn't necessarily work the same shift every day. n/t proReality Dec 2013 #13
I believe his weekday and weekend work schedule are different, Agony Dec 2013 #14
"inserting the trope of the 1 percent into the national conversation" Agony Dec 2013 #12
If they are going to do a story about those trying to survive on $7.25 an hour Revanchist Dec 2013 #18
it is about fast food workers in NYC- and 1/3- 1/2 of them work second jobs, and many used to bettyellen Dec 2013 #21
It doesn't matter what state you live in dem in texas Dec 2013 #30
du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #46
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