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Showing Original Post only (View all)In Case You Missed This Nugget From Snowden's Letter To Brazil... [View all]
Item number three is Edward Snowden wrote a letter to the people of Brazil about what was happening to them. It was an appeal for asylum as well. But to me the core of the letter was what he said to the people of Brazil is don't kid yourself. The mass spying that is taking place in Brazil is not about stopping terrorism; it's about the United States getting economic advantage, political advantage, and in the end it's about power.
And that's a very powerful statement. It's one that every person who hears about NSA spying ought to understand. This is not about terrorism. This is about the U.S. empire, U.S. power, U.S. hegemony, probably an increase in the spying as the U.S. empire is on the decline and it has a different world to compete in than it did after the Second World War or after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So that's the third point.
And that's a very powerful statement. It's one that every person who hears about NSA spying ought to understand. This is not about terrorism. This is about the U.S. empire, U.S. power, U.S. hegemony, probably an increase in the spying as the U.S. empire is on the decline and it has a different world to compete in than it did after the Second World War or after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So that's the third point.
From: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11227
From the letter...
American Senators tell us that Brazil should not worry, because this is not "surveillance," it's "data collection." They say it is done to keep you safe. They're wrong. There is a huge difference between legal programs, legitimate spying, legitimate law enforcement where individuals are targeted based on a reasonable, individualized suspicion and these programs of dragnet mass surveillance that put entire populations under an all-seeing eye and save copies forever. These programs were never about terrorism: they're about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They're about power.
The letter in full: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/edward-snowden-letter-brazilian-people
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Well seems funny to me he was all about the spying when the White guy was in office
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#12
It depends on what the classified information was and to some degree the motivation for doing so
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#41
What a stupid question What in the world is that question supposed to box me into?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#57
Yes...he is a Libertarian isn't he? Do you know any that aren't? I don't
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#164
This isnt about Snowden. Vilifying him is as nine. Are you trying to use misdirection to distract
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#190
I have been posting on this thread all day...seems there are many who DO think it is ABOUT
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#191
Good grief! "Racist Libertarians"? Most open-minded people are not racist, but
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#234
Once again you try to put words in my mouth. I have never claimed that Libertarians are or are not
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#237
I am fed up with your discussion tactics. I DID NOT SAY SNOWDEN IS OR IS NOT
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#238
No that is YOU projecting what I am doing...you know nothing of the sort...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#239
I find your obsession for Snowden strange. Do you even care about the NSA transgressions? nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#240
My only "defense" is to question the conservative obsession to vilify him.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#243
Hate to burst your bubble...but not everyone who opposes Snowden are all Conservatives..
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#244
You support centrists not Democrats. Centrists that see eye to eye with conservatives.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#252
and by the way....I am using actual statements made by Snowden to support my contentions
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#192
Depends, does it not? Daniel Ellsberg is today pretty much considered a hero.
WinkyDink
Dec 2013
#114
Yes - and Ellsburg stayed in the United States and willingly faced prosecution
George II
Dec 2013
#120
That Was A Differnt Time... And The Government Back Then Screwed Its Own Pooch...
WillyT
Dec 2013
#122
"Obama Has Charged More Under Espionage Act Than All Other Presidents Combined"
On the Road
Dec 2013
#215
So has Ellsberg said he would have fled to China, Russia and begged Brazil for asylum?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#225
He is a freaking Social Security hating, Gun Humper....that speaks volumes to me...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#83
Yes...either that or you jumped into the middle of a discussion to defend someone who WAS!
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#138
doesn't change what? That the capability exists? That is all he has said...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#146
they admitted they could...they have access to to several huge privately owned servers...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#224
Its NOT a strawman...did he or did he not support the spying while George W. Bush was
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#14
ah-- now I feel all better that the NSA conducts warrentless universal surveillance...
mike_c
Dec 2013
#25
No it doesn't but I don't jump at the chance to make someone my hero....
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#38
If a Libertarian gives you a million bucks....you can bet he expects something for it...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#93
A Libertarian would NEVER give you a dollar...much less a million of them...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#96
Who cares what your father does? I don't but Snowden thinks he doesn't deserve his
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#105
It doesn't MATTER. People can see the light at any time. It's the seeing that matters, not the date.
WinkyDink
Dec 2013
#117
actually if you never read what Snowden said about spying during those years...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#15
He didn't even get the information he did until AFTER 2009 so wouldn't have had it in
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#17
baloney...he thought people who leaked under a republican should be shot....
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#26
Snowden IS NOT my hero. I am, if anything, on the fence regarding Snowden. My posting
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#39
apparently HE is you cannot stand by and let his "reputation" be sullied by the truth.
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#40
I don't give a shit about his reputation. I do give a shit that I am being
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#44
Oh, Lord. Ok, there's no reasoning with you. I already said I don't give a shit about Snowden.
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#51
You made the claim that Snowden's actions were because of racism. The burden is on you to prove it.
cui bono
Dec 2013
#255
Yes and I stand by it...Suddenly he changed his mind about what should happen
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#256
That post was alerted on because you were being disruptive and behaving like a troll.
NuclearDem
Dec 2013
#181
Nope, the post you're referring to was alerted on because you were being disruptive and insulting.
NuclearDem
Dec 2013
#183
the truth that he is a Libertarian that supported George Bush's spying and
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#123
YOU are supporting a Social Security hating....Gun Humping Libertarian....
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#134
post after post because about a dozen snowden supporters are responding
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#152
And you're supporting right wingers like Cheney, Peter King, John Woo, etc.
neverforget
Dec 2013
#147
You have never seen me on a thread doing that...but I HAVE seen you on one
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#149
No. You accuse others of being Libertarians because they think what Snowden did was
neverforget
Dec 2013
#162
How do you know that he wasn't trying before 2009, but wasn't able to get it?
George II
Dec 2013
#125
I don't know, and as I've said already in this USELESS thread, I don't give a shit! n/t
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#178
well it certainly shouldn't be blowing up the skirt of the dirty little turn coat should it?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#63
But the comment suggests the Snowden had the information during the White president's
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#24
No it isn't seems everything changed for him when the FIRST black man was elected...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#28
I have never even once raised within my own thoughts that Snowden's motives have/had
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#33
See post #17. And, BTW, before you alert (if you haven't already), please understand...
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#19
You see mine...while a White Republican President was in office...he thought
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#22
You're only speculating his motives. You even admit it: "Coincindence? I think not...." ...
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#30
It's cool, VanillaRhapsody. You are, of course, free to believe what you want. The only thing
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2013
#42
FACT is you don't know that they ARE doing it...only that they could....
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#58
IMO, leaking info on the US Govt spying on it's own people is one thing. i can get behind that.
dionysus
Dec 2013
#174
Oh yes and YOU know for a fact that Snowden is no longer a racist...is this your contention?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#59
Do you give a fuck what he thinks about our Social Security system and the NRA then?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#71
Oh thats supposed to box me in huh...cause a Republican built the Interstate Highway System?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#88
Where do I stand on it? Normally I don't stand on it...I am normally in a car...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#91
trying to box someone in with a stupid question...That makes YOU the troll!
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#98
I don't need a timeline to tell me that a Libertarian is racist...do you?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2013
#141
And yet Snowdens fans express endless indignation because the US spies on foreign countries.
baldguy
Dec 2013
#11
Well, for one, we have no evidence that Brazil is spying on American citizens.
Maedhros
Dec 2013
#145
Whether you mean't it or not that's almost if not the best post I've ever seen from you. n/t
Uncle Joe
Dec 2013
#43
What I find absolutely hilarious about this theatrical performance is the essential lie
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2013
#48
OTOH... That Poster Keeps Kicking This Thread, Giving It More And More Visibility...
WillyT
Dec 2013
#75
Did Snowden read all my posts about it all being all about empire and hegemony (and the power that
indepat
Dec 2013
#87
"entire populations under an all-seeing eye": EVERY Pop star shows the Horus One-Eye. The Olympic
WinkyDink
Dec 2013
#113
The NSA apologists here never tire of making fools of themselves, do they?
DesMoinesDem
Dec 2013
#167
An amazing amount of troll feeding going on in this thread - too many vanilla wafers
hueymahl
Dec 2013
#222