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In reply to the discussion: Biggest Threat to World Peace: The United States [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)118. Curious. Would it be like what happened between WW1 and WW2? I think the *permanent* military stance
of the USA was due to a justified fear in that era of time, which created an international infrastructure that was so talented and organized, that it took on a life of its own. As if caught in a 'Skynet Becomes Self-Aware' universe some refuse to leave that is ultimately unsustainable for human life.
The MIC and our technocracy looks at everything in the same war prism and uses the same solutions. Everything is turned into fuel to save the homeland, but instead, it destroys it to save the infrastructure instead.
Wonder if the most die hard hawks, other than those who make tons of money off of it, are eternally paranoid. Some of the fear is logical, war breeds more war, hate more hate, fear more fear, etc. The results of what we have done, just as what other countries have done to each other, such as the English and the Irish, the peoples of Russia and the Ukraine, has extended past the lifetimes of most who lived through their worst events.
Within the USA itself, is a history that breeds deep conflicts we have not be able to overcome yet. There are signs we may do so, true, but not yet.
And yes, if we did nothing, we would get the blame by someone, if we were able to survive it. After all, a joining together of other nations might come looking for us, right or wrong.*
Looking back at the kind of weaponry developed during and since WW2, not for the love of knowledge, but for the purpose of defense and offense, we have let the genie out of the bottle that may never be put back in. The CWC that Kerry and Obama used to resolve Syria without traditional methods, is a big improvement. But we are not in the age of peace of love across the planet.
Some of what appear to be the worst things of our day, trade agreements and corporate rule, were once thought to be engines of equality and peace. They have not been successful, no more than religion. The reduction of all the world's cultures to one dominant one was thought to be a good idea to end warfare. We have that in capitalism, but the collateral damage to humans and the environment, and the spirit or freedom that we must have to be happy is not being met, it never was.
We're going into a different era, more inclusive, and more social changes than ever imagined. Many Americans are ready to embrace this, others are running away. I don't think there is going to be any escape for them, and they show their fear by buying big guns and lots of ammo and talking all kinds of trash. It won't last, though, but damn if they aren't gonna try. Fear does that, everyone wants to survive.
I dread what will happen as more people are under the authority of fewer elements. At this time, most of the wealth of the world is owned by corporations, not nations and they are making the rules by their hierarchical mindset. It does not bode well for social mobility that our government has nurtured, nor individual freedom to change large organizations. It is a structure that is never transparent, with power to make decisions (example would be corporate head choppers and getting fired - like getting killed - we see that mentality afflicting society now) and creating social stratification. Very bad for those not near the top, they are forced to exist as little more than robots, which in terms of humans or animals or any other living thing, is a tortured existence.
*Speaking of the Axis powers. They were not going to leave anyone alone, so we could not stand behind idealism and expect to still make it unmolested.
I think the essay assignment that the judge gave the religious group who trespassed on the nuclear facility - he asked the best questions ever - will be very instructive on how the idealistic views of religion and morality met up with the reality that spawned nukes.
The MIC and our technocracy looks at everything in the same war prism and uses the same solutions. Everything is turned into fuel to save the homeland, but instead, it destroys it to save the infrastructure instead.
Wonder if the most die hard hawks, other than those who make tons of money off of it, are eternally paranoid. Some of the fear is logical, war breeds more war, hate more hate, fear more fear, etc. The results of what we have done, just as what other countries have done to each other, such as the English and the Irish, the peoples of Russia and the Ukraine, has extended past the lifetimes of most who lived through their worst events.
Within the USA itself, is a history that breeds deep conflicts we have not be able to overcome yet. There are signs we may do so, true, but not yet.
And yes, if we did nothing, we would get the blame by someone, if we were able to survive it. After all, a joining together of other nations might come looking for us, right or wrong.*
Looking back at the kind of weaponry developed during and since WW2, not for the love of knowledge, but for the purpose of defense and offense, we have let the genie out of the bottle that may never be put back in. The CWC that Kerry and Obama used to resolve Syria without traditional methods, is a big improvement. But we are not in the age of peace of love across the planet.
Some of what appear to be the worst things of our day, trade agreements and corporate rule, were once thought to be engines of equality and peace. They have not been successful, no more than religion. The reduction of all the world's cultures to one dominant one was thought to be a good idea to end warfare. We have that in capitalism, but the collateral damage to humans and the environment, and the spirit or freedom that we must have to be happy is not being met, it never was.
We're going into a different era, more inclusive, and more social changes than ever imagined. Many Americans are ready to embrace this, others are running away. I don't think there is going to be any escape for them, and they show their fear by buying big guns and lots of ammo and talking all kinds of trash. It won't last, though, but damn if they aren't gonna try. Fear does that, everyone wants to survive.
I dread what will happen as more people are under the authority of fewer elements. At this time, most of the wealth of the world is owned by corporations, not nations and they are making the rules by their hierarchical mindset. It does not bode well for social mobility that our government has nurtured, nor individual freedom to change large organizations. It is a structure that is never transparent, with power to make decisions (example would be corporate head choppers and getting fired - like getting killed - we see that mentality afflicting society now) and creating social stratification. Very bad for those not near the top, they are forced to exist as little more than robots, which in terms of humans or animals or any other living thing, is a tortured existence.
*Speaking of the Axis powers. They were not going to leave anyone alone, so we could not stand behind idealism and expect to still make it unmolested.
I think the essay assignment that the judge gave the religious group who trespassed on the nuclear facility - he asked the best questions ever - will be very instructive on how the idealistic views of religion and morality met up with the reality that spawned nukes.
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The basic problem is that taking a moral position can land you sleeping on the street.
bemildred
Jan 2014
#8
Yes, many things contribute to the stability of the old order. It's well dug in.
bemildred
Jan 2014
#19
Jesus plays a big role in keeping the old order. Can't get soldiers without Jesus. nt
valerief
Jan 2014
#21
Yep, that dying with honor thing always seems to help the very wealthy get richer, too.
valerief
Jan 2014
#64
A nation founded on invasion, genocide, slavery, and warfare. What would you expect?
Coyotl
Jan 2014
#11
All the supposed smart, serious foreign policy writers pound Obama for not intervening more
TwilightGardener
Jan 2014
#37
Curious. Would it be like what happened between WW1 and WW2? I think the *permanent* military stance
freshwest
Jan 2014
#118
you keep on thinking that. pretty sure none of the groups you mentioned has the biggest military
niyad
Jan 2014
#42
1) Chechen separatists are hardly one of the greatest threats to world peace.
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#51
let's see--who the hell TRAINED osama bin laden and began the al-qaeda group?? oh, yes, that
niyad
Jan 2014
#106
More Americans need to understand why we rank on top, so we can work together to get
Jefferson23
Jan 2014
#28
But, but, but we had to keep the dominoes from falling and the world safe for democracy
indepat
Jan 2014
#82
America cant win.. if we do too much we get bashed..if we do too little we also get bashed.
DCBob
Jan 2014
#41
We are the terrorist of the world. (Sung to the tune "We are the Champions" - Queen)
L0oniX
Jan 2014
#63
And yet with some changes in the way we do things, maybe they wouldn't need the assistance
Scootaloo
Jan 2014
#80
Comes with being a world superpower dedicated to militarism and hypercapitalism, Treestar
Scootaloo
Jan 2014
#100
In terms of the absolute value of aid given, the United States is the world's top donor by far.
seveneyes
Jan 2014
#87
I'm not sure forcing nations into insurmountable debt so the money can go to American corporations
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2014
#103
Our old enemy Vietnam thinks it's China as do most of the WestPac rim nations.
4bucksagallon
Jan 2014
#116
Now ask which country they'd want to come help them after a natural disaster.
JoePhilly
Jan 2014
#139