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kcr

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91. Perfect is impossible

Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:59 PM

Jan 2014

We have the death penalty? Innocent people will die. It's not worth it. Yeah, agree to disagree, whatever, but the death penalty is one of those opinions I'm appalled by. I can't understand being okay with innocents dying. And the only progress getting made with the DP is that there is less and less of it.

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Executed Killer Dennis McGuire Gasped And Snorted For 15 Minutes Under New Lethal Drug Combo [View all] WillyT Jan 2014 OP

Good. TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #1

Wish I could recommend your post (n/t) Amaril Jan 2014 #4

Maybe we should take a leaf from the book of the animal kingdom Aerows Jan 2014 #11

perhaps we need to seriously address why that person is in prison for a marijuana offense.. frylock Jan 2014 #38

I would first rather address someone that killed a newlywed that was 8 months pregnant. William769 Jan 2014 #49

very simple; life in prison without parole.. frylock Jan 2014 #52

I like the option used in this case better. William769 Jan 2014 #55

i do. you have the same view as they do in north korea and saudi arabia.. frylock Jan 2014 #62

I always do! William769 Jan 2014 #63

as i'm sure you do when innocent people are executed frylock Jan 2014 #69

You're a mind reader? William769 Jan 2014 #71

just using basic logic here.. frylock Jan 2014 #72

Nothing is perfect. William769 Jan 2014 #75

you accept the murder of innocent people as the cost of doing business.. frylock Jan 2014 #85

"Nothing is perfect" nobodyspecial Jan 2014 #86

Awful. kcr Jan 2014 #88

I probably could have phrased it better but considering who I was responding to, I didn't see William769 Jan 2014 #89

Perfect is impossible kcr Jan 2014 #91

There will NEVER be a way to make it "perfect" BuddhaGirl Jan 2014 #100

human rights are human rights CreekDog Jan 2014 #120

Your right human rights are human rights. William769 Jan 2014 #121

Victims' rights are indeed important, but killing someone gives nothing good to a victim CreekDog Jan 2014 #122

"The lowest crime rates are precisely where death is not a penalty." Skip Intro Jan 2014 #135

I'd respond to the always class act William769 CreekDog Jan 2014 #136

Called it. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #138

Yes I did CreekDog Jan 2014 #139

. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #141

ALERT ALERT! I wuv Creekdoug! Rex Jan 2014 #144

! CreekDog Jan 2014 #145

Wonderfully put. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #147

If I'm ever murdered... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #127

And then we become what we say we despise the most. I will never allow a monster who murders sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #143

I'm right with you get the red out Jan 2014 #97

Have you heard of cruel an unusal punishment. He may have deserved the penalty, but not the lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #102

the problem is it doesn't make us safer CreekDog Jan 2014 #119

+1000. eom. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #57

Me too n/t Aerows Jan 2014 #74

Never argued anything different Aerows Jan 2014 #50

indeed frylock Jan 2014 #53

much easier, and much more profitable as they can seize property. nt littlewolf Jan 2014 #116

"Take a leaf from the book of the animal kingdom..." TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #124

Unfortunately, too few in our bloodlust society will come away with that response. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2014 #146

I'll bet they won't be using that method again. MADem Jan 2014 #2

Beheading of firing squad would be more humane Aerows Jan 2014 #5

Indeed . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #41

It's true Aerows Jan 2014 #42

Beheading is barbaric. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #125

No argument there . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #140

No, no, and vehemently no to the idea of beheading as "humane." Death is quick, yes, but the sheer WinkyDink Jan 2014 #123

Hasn't it been shown that the head lives Hayabusa Jan 2014 #130

Similar to the once favored Crucifiction warrant46 Jan 2014 #8

Enjoy getting locked up for something Aerows Jan 2014 #12

Whaa ? warrant46 Jan 2014 #46

I'm not certain what part I should enlighten you about Aerows Jan 2014 #48

It's sarcasm-- but I think you replied to someone else warrant46 Jan 2014 #51

It's kind of as WTF? as your post Aerows Jan 2014 #58

Thank you for the intelligent reply warrant46 Jan 2014 #67

Well that's certainly relevant Aerows Jan 2014 #77

10,000 female people Aerows Jan 2014 #79

In Iran, Saudi Arabia and a few other countries, it IS a public spectacle. Still. MADem Jan 2014 #30

reminds me of The Green Mile Whisp Jan 2014 #25

"Mengele chemical gawdwfulness" Aerows Jan 2014 #45

Actually Beheading isnt quite humane. Mrdrboi Jan 2014 #60

Ok--you have a choice. You can drown from "air hunger" for five minutes, or you can MADem Jan 2014 #81

Seems like a firing squad or guillotine would be more humane. Cleita Jan 2014 #3

Every single society Aerows Jan 2014 #7

We have other means of separating them from society. Cleita Jan 2014 #9

In this case there was no chance that he was innocent. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #14

That's actually where my sympathy lies too, with the family. Cleita Jan 2014 #17

So true. eom. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Jan 2014 #40

How? Aerows Jan 2014 #15

People like that are damaged beyond repair and belong in a psychiatric institution that has Cleita Jan 2014 #21

I would metaphorically wield it Aerows Jan 2014 #29

No it is because you see your fellow man as nothing more than animals MattBaggins Jan 2014 #95

Yeah, we're a little different from the rest of the animal kingdom. The Stranger Jan 2014 #39

You can't get past being an animal? MattBaggins Jan 2014 #93

If we did use the guillotine, the jury would have to look at the accused and think...... LongTomH Jan 2014 #19

The guy who invented the guillotine did so because he felt it was a quicker Cleita Jan 2014 #23

To say nothing of a head that was still alive, conscious and in obvious pain for a minute or so. RC Jan 2014 #35

Gosh that's just terrible legcramp Jan 2014 #6

An eye for an eye... joeybee12 Jan 2014 #10

Eye for an eye is immediate death Aerows Jan 2014 #13

yeap Egnever Jan 2014 #16

There is no doubt she suffered horribly. And there is nothing that will ever erase msanthrope Jan 2014 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #43

Great, so we sink to just barely above his level. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #94

Joy Stewart donco Jan 2014 #20

She can't rest in peace or non-peace. She's just dead. HERVEPA Jan 2014 #36

One thing is for certain get the red out Jan 2014 #98

He wasn't killing anyone when he was behind bars now was he? neverforget Jan 2014 #132

She's dead. I doubt her non-existence has any opinion on the guy's execution. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #92

Where the hell have they kept her body so that she's morningfog Jan 2014 #113

if you murder some one beachbum bob Jan 2014 #24

As does mine. 840high Jan 2014 #28

I remember when his victims died, reading articles about their horrible final moments CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #26

I can't work up any sympathy... sendero Jan 2014 #37

They're made in Europe and the EU forbids using their products in executions jmowreader Jan 2014 #137

Aren't lethal injection drugs supposed to just stop your heart? Dash87 Jan 2014 #27

Lethal injections rarely kill instantly Harmony Blue Jan 2014 #33

Basically, they used him as a test animal to test the new protocol. riqster Jan 2014 #31

It would not surprise me if someone decide to use this guy as a guinea pig Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #32

I am unalterably opposed to the death penalty. MineralMan Jan 2014 #34

My opinion is that I don't give a shit if he suffered. Joy Stewart, her baby, and their family... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #44

Yet isn't it interesting that virtually every other western democracy . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #65

Don't get me wrong, I lean heavily anti-death penalty. However, I often find ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #84

Yeah, you sure do. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2014 #155

agreed frylock Jan 2014 #47

+1 cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #68

I agree. enlightenment Jan 2014 #82

That's how I feel, too. You can't be partly against the death penalty. MineralMan Jan 2014 #83

we're such a civilized nation TimeToEvolve Jan 2014 #54

I see many here saying they have no sympathy for a killer and that's fine Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #56

Who else should do it? HipChick Jan 2014 #59

No one we should be better than an eye for an eye Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #61

Better? HipChick Jan 2014 #64

Ah yes and while we are at it we can start chopping off arms of those that steal Arcanetrance Jan 2014 #66

Higher than life in prison nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #87

Even if I had no sympathy for killers (and I'll admit, I have sympathy for everyone) Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #134

I really dont have the sympathy for someone who commited such a violent murder. Mrdrboi Jan 2014 #70

That's disgusting. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #73

Does anyone know how federal courts have ruled on the "cruel" part of cruel and unusual? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #76

First off it has to be cruel AND unusual. morningfog Jan 2014 #112

thanks. I had never thought about both conditions having to be met DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #114

All executions should be public beheadings LittleBlue Jan 2014 #78

I guess I'm an asshole Aerows Jan 2014 #80

You are onto something nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #90

wth, did they not use enough? it shouldn't be hard to quickly kill someone with an overdoes of a dionysus Jan 2014 #96

Why not just go into the evidence locker and shoot 'em up with a massive heroin overdose? MADem Jan 2014 #142

thats what i'm sayin. i'm not pro DP, but if you're gonna do it, even i can think of painless ways dionysus Jan 2014 #149

I am on the same page. They'd have done better to consult a veterinarian and ask them how they put MADem Jan 2014 #151

and what noises did his pregnant VICTIM make? pansypoo53219 Jan 2014 #99

Who cares? Why would you eat to know that? morningfog Jan 2014 #110

Good... Hope it hurt like hell... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #101

and what would that accomplish to give the condemned extra suffering? Would that bring back the lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #104

Get lost, count. morningfog Jan 2014 #109

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #118

Ugh. I feel sick reading that. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #103

THIS is who we've become. We are no better than the Nazis. Th1onein Jan 2014 #105

they probably didn't use enough. If 'the state' wants to kill, than give a MASSIVE overdose. Sunlei Jan 2014 #106

Okay fine, why not build an instant incineration machine? Rex Jan 2014 #107

Shame on Ohio. Fucking barbarians. morningfog Jan 2014 #108

Exactly mokawanis Jan 2014 #111

I am anti dp gwheezie Jan 2014 #115

I just want to comment on the snoring/snorting part gwheezie Jan 2014 #117

That's pretty much what a natural death looks like.. Barack_America Jan 2014 #126

There's no pain or discomfort in "natural death?" morningfog Jan 2014 #128

I didn't say that. Barack_America Jan 2014 #131

If we are going to use capital punishment, Hayabusa Jan 2014 #129

Do we know those are indicators of pain? From my understanding... Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #133

i agree, it's easy to use massive doses of drugs to kill someone quickly dionysus Jan 2014 #150

Wonder how long the innocent woman and her child gasped for air before they died ? NM_Birder Jan 2014 #148

Ever see someone you love removed from life support? 2pooped2pop Jan 2014 #152

yes, my mom. but i think it was harder for us watching than it was for her. she wa on a large dose dionysus Jan 2014 #153

I expected her to go quietly 2pooped2pop Jan 2014 #154

some of it, i guess, you just can't avoid... it was mostly peaceful, but at the end there was what i dionysus Jan 2014 #156