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74. Slow left lane drivers are self-centered and oblivioous, at best, and self-righteous jerks in many

Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:29 PM

Feb 2014

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Aside from drinking and driving, failure to keep right is perhaps the most hazardous action on roadways, said Assemblyman Declan O’Scanlon (R-Monmouth), also a co-sponsor
“One driver cruising along in the left lane can cause dozens of other drivers to become frustrated, leading to more incidents of aggressive driving and additional, unnecessary lane changes — which, in turn, lead to more accidents,” he said.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/06/highway_left-lane_hogs_could_see_fines_double_for_failing_to_move_over.html

Driving slowly in the fast lane is more than just annoying, it's also illegal in many states. Wanna know if your 45-mph, Buick-borne grandma is breaking the law on the interstate? Just consult our handy map.P

The most popular law follows the Uniform Vehicle Code, which says a car driving below the "normal speed of traffic" should be driven in the right-hand lane. Because it indicates "normal speed" instead of saying "speed limit" a driver going above the speed limit but slower than most traffic is still in the wrong.

http://jalopnik.com/5501615/left+lane-passing-laws-a-state+by+state-map

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Wall Street Journal thinks that rape is not a crime or that women are criminals for being raped. [View all] riqster Feb 2014 OP

Misleading headline ..... oldhippie Feb 2014 #1

Fair point. Fixed. riqster Feb 2014 #4

Read up on this asshole Taranto.... CurtEastPoint Feb 2014 #2

He couldn't get a degree from California State University, Northridge. LOL. jsr Feb 2014 #3

I take it's not like Stanford, eh? CurtEastPoint Feb 2014 #8

Ana Kasparian (The Young Turks) graduated from there alp227 Feb 2014 #9

Translates as: He thought he was 'above' doing corsework Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #29

Nah, basically it means he is a failure that can't make the grades any way. Xyzse Feb 2014 #36

You mean he's a typical Republican? Enthusiast Feb 2014 #86

the headline is absolutely appropriate. firstly... it is what is within the text. so, seabeyond Feb 2014 #5

Here is what the article *actually* said: Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #6

He left the critical bit out: consent. riqster Feb 2014 #7

Sure it is, when alcohol is involved joeglow3 Feb 2014 #11

What a load of misogynistic twaddle. riqster Feb 2014 #16

So, you believe consent CAN be given while drunk? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #18

There are situations where consent cannot be given. riqster Feb 2014 #25

The op/ed seemed to be based on a premise separate from your view joeglow3 Feb 2014 #28

You are missing a central point of the OP. riqster Feb 2014 #33

No, I am not missing a central point joeglow3 Feb 2014 #43

I believe your argument needs back up passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #64

Look in this very thread joeglow3 Feb 2014 #73

Then the word "drunk" is being misused by a lot of people here passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #100

Of course, a person *can* still enter into legally binding contracts while drunk Orrex Feb 2014 #46

do you? noiretextatique Feb 2014 #30

I believe his point is that BOTH are drunk and consenting at the time. 7962 Feb 2014 #38

let me clarify noiretextatique Feb 2014 #42

You failed to address the point joeglow3 Feb 2014 #44

yes noiretextatique Feb 2014 #48

And THAT was the point of the WSJ op/ed joeglow3 Feb 2014 #49

the point was to excuse poor decision-making noiretextatique Feb 2014 #52

It's not quite that cut and dried Orrex Feb 2014 #51

life experience is more realistic than legal screeds noiretextatique Feb 2014 #56

Oh hellz yeah. riqster Feb 2014 #57

Easier? Maybe. Better? Not necessarily. Orrex Feb 2014 #60

"It's much easier not to fuck when either party is drunk, wouldn't you agree?" Rex Feb 2014 #68

Entering the body of someone who is not able to give consent is rape. You seriously don't get this? Squinch Feb 2014 #76

So, my passed out friend is a rapist? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #80

Oh, dear God. You call this an honest discussion? Seriously? Squinch Feb 2014 #81

I was hoping you would say that joeglow3 Feb 2014 #88

Oh, get a grip. Clearly you think you are diabolically clever. And yet you are simply making Squinch Feb 2014 #91

And yet, you didn't define where the fine line is joeglow3 Feb 2014 #102

Because there is no fine line and the suggestion that there is is disgusting. As is this Squinch Feb 2014 #103

The thing is gollygee Feb 2014 #106

no- he has made it quite obvious that he can't tell the difference between rape and sex bettyellen Feb 2014 #124

It is frightening as hell. redqueen Feb 2014 #127

The aggressor is the rapist. How can you seriously post that question??? cui bono Feb 2014 #110

How do you determine who the aggressor is? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #112

But, who raped who? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #34

Depends who took advantage of whom. alp227 Feb 2014 #12

Imagine that a male and a female college student get drunk together. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #22

Both OnlinePoker Feb 2014 #53

Not sure why you would think molesting an unconcious person is possibly okay, ever? It never is. bettyellen Feb 2014 #59

Lot's of people jumping on the bandwagon of that argument. Very scary. Squinch Feb 2014 #78

Unfortunately so. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #61

Yeah, I tend to read what the person actually wrote. BKH70041 Feb 2014 #77

Slight correction to your epic rant. Stonepounder Feb 2014 #10

Answer me a couple questions joeglow3 Feb 2014 #14

Rape is having sex with someone who does not or cannot consent. riqster Feb 2014 #19

Define "cannot consent" joeglow3 Feb 2014 #21

See post 25. riqster Feb 2014 #26

Yes... noiretextatique Feb 2014 #32

Yes again noiretextatique Feb 2014 #37

You keep responding to the wrong person joeglow3 Feb 2014 #45

Need clarification.... tableturner Feb 2014 #31

easy...do not rape noiretextatique Feb 2014 #39

You didn't answer the questions joeglow3 Feb 2014 #47

i did...if you are an adult noiretextatique Feb 2014 #50

Your decision to now attack my maturity because of a philisophical discussion also speaks volumes joeglow3 Feb 2014 #58

But that's precisely how you are being immature: trying to reduce a complex and painful situation Recursion Feb 2014 #115

it's not a philosphical arguement at all- it is about being incapciateted, which has a legal bettyellen Feb 2014 #126

Please... tableturner Feb 2014 #55

If either partner goes beyond what has been explicitly consented to, they are in the wrong. riqster Feb 2014 #41

So it is possible for both the man and the woman to be guilty of rape for the same incident, right? Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #54

I tell you what: when 1 in 4 college-age men reports unwanted sexual activities by women, we'll talk Recursion Feb 2014 #114

So two drunk people are naked and performing orally on each other..... tableturner Feb 2014 #62

the law centers on the person who acts without receiving consent. SIMPLE. NOT CONFUSING TO MOST. bettyellen Feb 2014 #63

So if they are both drunk, each has orally performed on the other... tableturner Feb 2014 #65

your conclusion" -all sex between drunk people is a crime" is so fucking ridiculous- you obviously bettyellen Feb 2014 #67

About the law..... tableturner Feb 2014 #83

I think people need to get on the same page with the word "drunk" passiveporcupine Feb 2014 #96

What you wrote makes a lot of sense...... tableturner Feb 2014 #109

^This post F4lconF16 Feb 2014 #120

Thank you for this post. redqueen Feb 2014 #128

most here are muddying the water because they PREFER it that way. i explained it's incapacitated bettyellen Feb 2014 #125

not interested in your ridculous hypotheticals or the assumption that people do not understand bettyellen Feb 2014 #123

"tell me this country isn't fucked up." heaven05 Feb 2014 #15

Yep, it's called rape culture BainsBane Feb 2014 #98

????? heaven05 Feb 2014 #13

so my question to you, jimmy boy, is just how many women have you raped while niyad Feb 2014 #17

This is the reason I don't ever have sex with a woman who has been drinking, even a girlfriend. dilby Feb 2014 #20

Liability vs Responsibility Vox Moi Feb 2014 #23

OMG I cant stand those people!!!!!!!!! 7962 Feb 2014 #40

My friend and I drove almost 1,000 miles in Great Britain and never once were we passed on the wrong rhett o rick Feb 2014 #113

Slow left lane drivers are self-centered and oblivioous, at best, and self-righteous jerks in many Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #74

What, exactly, does your unrelated story have to do with this thread? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #130

Hey Redqueen. Nice to hear from you. Vox Moi Feb 2014 #131

Yeah I thought so. Thing is, rapes are not accidents. redqueen Feb 2014 #133

Having a drink is not a crime.. dickthegrouch Feb 2014 #24

Speaking as a 63-year-old man, this is another reason for me to hate the WSJ. radicalliberal Feb 2014 #27

The more I hear about him the less I like him. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #35

He has a history of being a misogynist in the name of combatting "political correctness". alp227 Feb 2014 #69

Why he sounds like cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #71

Also: His website really is something. Good grief nt cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #72

I have to ask... jmowreader Feb 2014 #66

IMO, it remains valid up until the point one of them says STOP! Rex Feb 2014 #70

it's not drunk- it is incapciatated. and there's lots of info out there regarding the definition of bettyellen Feb 2014 #75

One problem with this line of thinking: Sex is a decision. Xithras Feb 2014 #79

^^^^ This. And the only place I would disagree with you Squinch Feb 2014 #82

I debated that one, but chose to stick with it for clarity. Xithras Feb 2014 #84

No, no offense, and I appreciate the sanity of your post. (An oasis in a pretty insane thread.) Squinch Feb 2014 #87

I agree with everything you posted joeglow3 Feb 2014 #90

That is the catch, isn't it? Xithras Feb 2014 #93

and he finds defenders BainsBane Feb 2014 #85

Yeah, isn't it ever so very shocking? riqster Feb 2014 #89

This thread is chock full of posts making the thinly veiled argument that boils down to, "lots of Squinch Feb 2014 #92

Then when a PSA is directed at men BainsBane Feb 2014 #94

Yes. And when I see people suggesting that plenty of accusations of rape are, effectively, Squinch Feb 2014 #95

It's not too difficult to figure out if a woman wants sex BainsBane Feb 2014 #97

If they think there is some fine line between sex and rape, you have to be right. Squinch Feb 2014 #99

It's like some men fear "accidentally" running afoul of these "very complex" rape laws we have Recursion Feb 2014 #116

Well said BainsBane Feb 2014 #117

I think their confusion comes about because arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #122

That can be a challenge BainsBane Feb 2014 #134

Indeed. More men should use something like the "four step" rule I mentioned above. Xithras Feb 2014 #129

What is the argument? gollygee Feb 2014 #101

They insist it isn't rape BainsBane Feb 2014 #104

Nope. You got it pretty well. The other point being made is that there is just a tiny difference Squinch Feb 2014 #105

On the crazy scale Aerows Feb 2014 #107

Way too many people in this thread saying that they don't know the difference between sex and rape. Squinch Feb 2014 #108

Yep. Sickos. riqster Feb 2014 #111

Remember WSJ is now part of Fox News empire. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #119

Oh, yes. Stopped reading it for work purposes years ago. riqster Feb 2014 #121

Fuck the WSJ Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #132