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another_liberal

(8,821 posts) Mon Feb 24, 2014, 01:13 PM Feb 2014

Should the United States be supporting the new government of Ukraine? [View all]

There has been spirited discussion on DU concerning recent events in Ukraine. A new government has come to power whose leading political party, called Svoboda, was described by a resolution adopted by the EU Parliament only fourteen months ago as being "Racist, anti-Semitic and xenophobic." There is little doubt, in my opinion at least, that they have reneged on the internationally negotiated peace agreement of last Friday, and resorted to thoroughly undemocratic means to seize power.

http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/european_parliament_urges_democratic_parties_against_cooperation_with_svoboda_294992

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P7-TA-2012-0507+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

My question is: Given the above described nature of this new government as well as our obvious domestic needs for any available cash, should we be giving aid to this new Ukrainian government?

11 votes, 2 passes \| Time left: Time expired
	Yes we should give the new Ukrainian government our money.
	2 (18%)
	No we should not give the new Ukrainian government our money.
	6 (55%)
	I'm not sure if we should or shouldn't give the new Ukrainian government our money.
	3 (27%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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Should the United States be supporting the new government of Ukraine? [View all] another_liberal Feb 2014 OP

Why wouldn't we support it? We helped make it happen. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #1

It might also force Europe to buy its natural gas supplies from other sources . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #2

Were it able to do so dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #4

Thanks for that clarification. another_liberal Feb 2014 #8

I got the impression it is dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #11

So they went across the other side of the Baltic? another_liberal Feb 2014 #12

Hadn't followed it but take your word for it. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #13

I'm not an expert on the Nord Stream project, not by any means. another_liberal Feb 2014 #15

Two lines in operation -- 27.5 billion cubic metres (970 billion cubic feet) of gas annually each FarCenter Feb 2014 #17

Oh please, Nord Stream is Putin's way of controlling the countries it bypasses and giving himself a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #32

Russian gas lines to Europe via Ukraine El_Johns Feb 2014 #82

Well, that and Putin's stooge was a corrupt murderer nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #61

We helped make Egypt happen, too Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #89

I'm not sure anyone will GIVE them anything. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #3

Five percent of agricultural land in the whole country? another_liberal Feb 2014 #7

5% of the country : 9% of arable farmland. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #10

Thanks, which is why it was astounding to see support for the 'protesters' here. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #18

Britain is a member of the EU but not of the Euro. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #25

Thanks for the correction on the UK. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #28

you need to educate yourself on the topic before spouting off Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #43

How about you 'educate' us on the subject being that you have such disdain sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #50

Some people can tolerate no alternate points of view. another_liberal Feb 2014 #79

Thank you and I thank you for having the ability to state your opinion AND defend it sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #81

That's kind of a rude tone to take with one of your fellow DU members. another_liberal Feb 2014 #78

I think a wait and see approach is warrented. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #5

That would be my preference also. another_liberal Feb 2014 #9

In the case of the UK dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #6

Your so called "poll: is a joke. Should we "give them our money". You also ignore the very serious okaawhatever Feb 2014 #14

You don't like it that passionately? another_liberal Feb 2014 #16

it is a joke and you know it. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #45

You are seriously misrepresenting the situation. The new president is not from Svoboda muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #59

You're right that Turchynov is not of the party known as Svoboda, he is only closely allied with it. another_liberal Feb 2014 #69

My remarks are highly warranted; you continue to get things wrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #70

A greater expert on Ukrainian politics . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #71

I quoted what you had made up - the "leading political party" BS muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #72

No, he is not the only one suggesting that. another_liberal Feb 2014 #73

While you spout misleading BS, it's important to point out you're wrong muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #74

When one side of a debate starts to resort to personal attacks. another_liberal Feb 2014 #75

I'm attacking your posts muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #76

"Us ?" - wasn't aware the US bought Russian gas dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #19

Ukraine's imports and exports with Russia are almost equal. If russia stopped buying Ukraine's okaawhatever Feb 2014 #34

I'll leave you to search for the reason dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #36

Cutting off imports: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #54

Do you support forcing a country into the EU if they believe it will not benefit them? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #21

What "new government"? Elections are scheduled for May. FarCenter Feb 2014 #20

What if the new government agrees with the duly elected leaders now overthrown in a sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #22

You keep remarking that the citizens of Ukraine didn't want an EU deal. That simply isn't true. They okaawhatever Feb 2014 #39

people are deeply invested in the propaganda fed to them by Greenwald and company Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #47

No kidding. It amazes me what I'm learning abut some of these people Defending Putin's tactics is a okaawhatever Feb 2014 #57

Did I miss something? What does Greenwald have to do with this? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #99

They elected him, didn't they? And if they didn't like his policies, who does after sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #52

It wasn't a policy disagreement. It was a wholesale change in the future of the country. It's not okaawhatever Feb 2014 #55

None of that explains why the election could not have been used to oust him. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #58

The President was elected as a pro-EU candidate. He continued to pursue a path to EU membership okaawhatever Feb 2014 #60

Obama was elected as a pro-Public Option candidate, anti Insurance Mandate but then sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #65

Absolute friggin' bulls%T. Obama DID NOT RUN ON SINGLE PAYER OPTION!!!!!!! He long said okaawhatever Feb 2014 #68

You're not addressing what Sabrina said. Obama did indeed run against the individual mandate and... JVS Feb 2014 #83

If they are as corrupt and murderous as that thug who just got removed, yes. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

Yay for Coup D'etats. Thanks, that's what I was trying to find out about this 'new left' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #67

They are certainly acting like a government . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #23

Their "new government" dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #26

Thank you. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #35

No. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #24

why admit you're undercutting your argument by bringing up Hitler and then bring up Hitler? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

My point being that some people in America were all enamored with Mr. Hitler Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #51

People get enamoured with any number of people. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #53

I give up. Blue_In_AK Feb 2014 #56

The whole question of the Ukraine is far from settled sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #27

Why do you think a split would upset Putin? Seriously, I don't know sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #30

I have met not only people from both sides in the Ukaraine, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #33

Don't think that would miff Putin. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #31

I would not give them money, but we (along with others) should certainly help them. pampango Feb 2014 #29

We need to stop giving other countries money (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #37

The interim President is not a member of Svoboda. Svoboda is far from a majority in the Rada. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #38

thank you. I read earlier that Yulia said she wouldn't run. I think that's a good idea since she okaawhatever Feb 2014 #40

I agree re Yulia. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #42

really sad to see the lies being pushed about Ukrainian protests on this site Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #49

Thanks. I began reading up on the situation and learned of some of the neo-cons and right wingers okaawhatever Feb 2014 #80

of course we have to support the interim govt, when it arrives. provisionally. librechik Feb 2014 #41

I did not support the government a violent coup installed in Egypt, and I still don't. another_liberal Feb 2014 #93

so ...you would be opposed to the bloody War of Independence, I gather librechik Feb 2014 #94

Was King George III democratically elected? another_liberal Feb 2014 #95

so... it's not the bloodiness you are objecting to, but the lack of democracy? librechik Feb 2014 #96

I think your poll and OP are highly misleading muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #44

Unless the OP has an agenda to push.....nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #46

Is opposition to violent overthrow of democratically elected governments . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #86

Your opinion. another_liberal Feb 2014 #87

I give the new government in Ukraine 2 months max LittleBlue Feb 2014 #63

I have to agree. another_liberal Feb 2014 #90

I am not sure and am trying to grasp the reality of the situation as best I can. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #64

Don't feel alone . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #92

A. Pushing Russian propaganda. B. What government? DevonRex Feb 2014 #66

The European Union Parliament . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #77

EU prepared to support Ukrainian reforms with 20 billion euros muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #84

The top EU leadership does seem to be supporting this new Ukrainian government, for now. another_liberal Feb 2014 #85

Wait and see Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #88

Sage advice. another_liberal Feb 2014 #91

Heh.... no agenda here, eh? Adrahil Feb 2014 #97

What "Kremlin appologists?" I ain't seen none round here. another_liberal Feb 2014 #103

Depends on extensively you define "support" WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #98

I agree, humanitarian aid is fully warranted and, most likely, badly needed. another_liberal Feb 2014 #102

What government? There doesn't seem to be one there. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #100

I'm afraid that does seem to be the lay of the land. another_liberal Feb 2014 #101