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pampango

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31. Do you wonder why they moved the date of the referendum from May 25 to March 30 to March 16?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:01 PM
Mar 2014

Are Putin and Crimean Russian authorities worried that a 3-month delay might jeopardize the pro-Russia outcome of the vote? Forecasting the political mood (and the status of Russian forces) that far into the future was too risky to base your foreign policy on an unknown referendum outcome. Plus the current diplomatic confrontation with Europe and the US could benefit from a favorable referendum outcome ASAP.

After all, a little over 40% of Crimeans are not ethnic Russians (Ukrainians and Tatar Muslims) and are likely to vote overwhelmingly to remain part of Ukraine. Among the ethnic Russians there will be some that see no need to be governed by people of their own ethnicity (imagine that) or are liberals who see a more liberal future with Europe than with Russia or see themselves as both Ukrainian and ethnically Russia and don't want to change that.

The outcome of a legitimate referendum (with a couple of months of debate and time to get monitors in place) would be far from a foregone conclusion. So it was decided to move the date up once and then once again so that the 'climate' for the referendum was more predictable and favorable. (Needless to say, a negative outcome to a referendum on becoming part of Russia would be a major embarrassment to Putin. Most Russian know that embarrassing Putin is not how you get ahead in this world.)

Also reports are that the only election monitors who will be invited are Russians. The UN and OSCE cannot even get peacekeeping monitors into Crimea, much less election monitors - so this is an ideal time to hold a referendum from the pro-Russian perspective.

Unfortunately warrior1 Mar 2014 #1
How do you feel about the people expressing self determination? newthinking Mar 2014 #2
So You Favor Russian Troops Going Back Barracks By Noon, Sir? The Magistrate Mar 2014 #4
That alone would not diffuse the situation newthinking Mar 2014 #14
Of Course It Would Defuse the Situation, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2014 #21
Exactly. In fact that's the best place to start. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #38
So in 1861 you would have been ok with the south seceding from the union? Jenoch Mar 2014 #47
Crimea is under military occupation by a foreign power. geek tragedy Mar 2014 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Mar 2014 #10
wider autonomy Alex_ Mar 2014 #11
I would love a link newthinking Mar 2014 #15
HuffPo Alex_ Mar 2014 #25
That is not an "offer", that is just words. newthinking Mar 2014 #45
The Russians are blocking OSCE observers from entering Crimea muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #26
It makes it less clear I agree. But can you agree that having pretty much destroyed newthinking Mar 2014 #46
(sigh) Alex_ Mar 2014 #6
Do you wonder why they moved the date of the referendum from May 25 to March 30 to March 16? pampango Mar 2014 #31
So now you also understand why there is a problem with the date of the National election also, right newthinking Mar 2014 #44
No Question they Have No Legal Leg To Stand On, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2014 #3
DUrec... SidDithers Mar 2014 #7
Not all replys are "for Russia". We just have different analysis/perspectives of the situation newthinking Mar 2014 #17
So the world would be better off ruled by treaties and agreements than by who has the biggest army? pampango Mar 2014 #8
Irrelevant. Russia has vital strategic interests in the Crimea... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #9
"as Panama or New Orleans are to us." geek tragedy Mar 2014 #12
You are smarter than that... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #18
Have you ever been to Panama? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19
nope. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #23
it's a fully independent country. no US troops there, at all. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #28
Do you believe it would eemain that way if we had any concerns? Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #30
that is delusional. maybe you should travel to Panama geek tragedy Mar 2014 #32
Do you really believe that or are you just being provocative? And what do you mean by "winking at pampango Mar 2014 #34
Panama does a ton of business with China and everyone else. In fact... stevenleser Mar 2014 #35
LOL. Putin violating international law and invading a country is "irrelevant" because...Putin. ProSense Mar 2014 #13
See. Putin is a 'real leader', not like Obama. The republicans keep telling us so. pampango Mar 2014 #16
It's not "irrelavent", but it is also not the full story newthinking Mar 2014 #20
No, not "Because Putin". Don't put words in my mouth... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #22
"It's irrelevant because REALITY." ProSense Mar 2014 #29
Fortunately for the world, you are incorrect... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #33
It's Putin apologia that makes no sense. ProSense Mar 2014 #36
Let me try again. I am not apologizing for Putin, who I detest... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #39
No, ProSense Mar 2014 #40
Okay, well you're gonna need to get over it. *shrug* Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #42
LOL! n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #43
We had strategic interests in the Philippines and when the parliament there voted to boot us we okaawhatever Mar 2014 #24
And also because the Chinese have been very active in the South China Sea. amandabeech Mar 2014 #41
Because they've decided to be on the side of Cha Mar 2014 #48
I think you're 66% wrong and 33% right. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #50
They survive with the Bosphorus and Dardanelles crontrolled by NATO member Turkey muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #27
Absolutely. It's all a farce. This is all a Putin face saving measure. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #37
Ukraine: Human rights monitors urgently needed as journalists and activists face...attacks in Crimea ProSense Mar 2014 #49
thanks, PS.. Cha Mar 2014 #51
You're welcome. Here's another ProSense Mar 2014 #52
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