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BainsBane

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32. I have seen some of these issues raised in the men's group

Reply to Humanist_Activist (Original post)

Thu May 8, 2014, 11:14 PM

May 2014

but in ways that differ from your own interpretation. Many members there deny the existence of patriarchy, while simultaneously decrying narrow conceptions of what it is to be a man. They refuse to consider that those gender roles come from patriarchy itself and instead appear to blame women--or try to enter into some contest about how they feel themselves to be more oppressed than women.
I wish some of those members would reflect on your post and understand that it is a single system that hurts all of us. Whether they want to call it patriarchy or something else, these are social constraints that no longer serve human kind and instead unnecessarily limit all of us.

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How Patriarchy affects men, a self perpetuating cycle of denial and excuses. [View all] Humanist_Activist May 2014 OP

Excellent post BainsBane May 2014 #1

People seem to forget that oppression can come in different forms... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #2

Society more broadly perpetuates it BainsBane May 2014 #3

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K & R nt Shankapotomus May 2014 #5

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indeed BainsBane May 2014 #28

"Daddy's girl" is portrayed as a positive? The2ndWheel May 2014 #8

Who came up with that? Supersedeas May 2014 #30

Bottom Line weissmam May 2014 #9

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Yeah, with people like that, who needs Pacu fish? nt IronLionZion May 2014 #14

You've touched on something that radical feminists try to highlight. redqueen May 2014 #16

Destruction would be strength and success? The2ndWheel May 2014 #17

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Your post makes absolutely no sense. nt redqueen May 2014 #20

Destroying something does not have to mean dominating it into submission. IronLionZion May 2014 #22

Doesn't have to mean that, but it can The2ndWheel May 2014 #23

What you said makes sense IronLionZion May 2014 #21

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We are tired of patriarchal excuses Supersedeas May 2014 #29

Night Train! grahamhgreen May 2014 #31

I have seen some of these issues raised in the men's group BainsBane May 2014 #32

As I said above, its cultural more than anything else, its also self-perpetuating... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #33

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"And that's where feminism loses me." - Actually, you've lost feminism. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #36

Did you even understand the point I was making? davidn3600 May 2014 #37

I know exactly the point you were trying to make. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #38

It's a figure of speech davidn3600 May 2014 #39

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Let me just be very clear from now on... davidn3600 May 2014 #42

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Yeah, its slow, far too slow, maybe it will accelerate at some point... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #47