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agentS

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55. I'm happy either way (Hillary or a more progressive candidate)
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary's not perfect and I wasn't a fan of hers during 08. I'm not expecting her to be a Kennedy- BUT if she wants to try and hit moon shots, then hey I'm down with it.

However, if she doesn't run for whatever reason, then I'm not worried. We have a MUCH deeper "bench" than the Repubs do right now. They have NO one that can match Hillary. Who do we have on our bench?
Warren
Sanders
Castro (Mayor of San Antonio, now head of Housing)
Sebillus (Was head of Health)
Biden
Patrick (Gov of Mass)
Booker
Schweitzer? (Gov of Montana)
Gillibrand (Sen of NY)
Wendy Davis (Texas)

We have a deeper bench with less baggage than the Repubs. Our guys are either well-known, can compete or carry big states, have big-money donors (or can get them), have records to run on (and not as much "from&quot and aren't hated by the base.
Who's on the Rethug bench?
Christie
Romney
Ryan
Bush
Paul
Carson (crazy surgeon)
Cruz
Walker
Rubio
Perry
Jindal
Huckabee

All of these guys will raise money, but money doesn't protect you from a bad record or controversies (Eric Cantor, anyone). Cruz, Rubio, and Carson are their minority big-hitters, but they're not going to match up well against Patrick, Booker, Castro or even Warren. Romney probably won't run again. Bush has to run against his brother and run against Clinton at the same time- its not a great position. Paul is the most difficult of the bunch because of his weird positions and libertarian appeal, whereas Ryan and the others are not well-known enough to beat him in a primary- unless he screws up royally. Against a liberal Dem or minority, Paul is their best shot. Against a less liberal Dem like H. Clinton, Ryan or Christie is their best shot. By best shot I mean "competitive" not "Win" or "Place".

Note: there are no women on their bench that can go toe-for-toe, or even compete with any of ours, that have expressed interest in running. Clinton or Warren vs Bachmann? Please! After 1 debate you could see the roadkill from space!

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Are you an 11% Democrat? [View all] yurbud Jun 2014 OP
the last 3 presidents have all been Hillary or the equivalent' we don't need another bowens43 Jun 2014 #1
Might as well vote Republican if she runs on the Democratic Ticket Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #6
A lot of party members have become independent in the last 5 years - 25% left it during that time newthinking Jun 2014 #20
I think it does the party is changing and not in a good way Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #23
It keeps doing the same strategy and it is discouraging their liberal base newthinking Jun 2014 #57
I think most people see Congress and not Obama/Hillary are the body that needs to be more liberal Johonny Jun 2014 #2
when Dems have the numbers in Congress to pass progressive legislation they suddenly become yurbud Jun 2014 #5
Bingo Aerows Jun 2014 #16
and the country's reaction was to... go more conservative Johonny Jun 2014 #39
I'm used to this Party being so much more conservtive than I am that leadership regularly slandered Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #3
Its not what I want LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #4
the lesser of two evils argument is getting thinner and thinner. yurbud Jun 2014 #7
Keep telling yourself that LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #9
It is possible to walk and chew gum at he same time Armstead Jun 2014 #14
Absolutely LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #17
by continuing to tack to the right? frylock Jun 2014 #36
By winning LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #61
and next thing you know, there is no representation on the left.. frylock Jun 2014 #65
If that happens LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #66
That 11% - Also represents the fall in Dem membership - 39% to 28% since 2008! newthinking Jun 2014 #58
Fractions don't work that way LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #62
I don't disagree about independents newthinking Jun 2014 #63
I would also like a parliamentary system LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #64
I think it's bs. gore was not like Bush our even a JI7 Jun 2014 #21
I like Gore, but he pushed NAFTA, government privatization, and yurbud Jun 2014 #24
I am super-liberal. I WISH we could have a Bernie Sanders type socialist in the WH, but I know tblue37 Jun 2014 #8
Some deem Governors work hard to enact corporate agenda yurbud Jun 2014 #25
Then they've overlooked the damage Sam Brownback tblue37 Jun 2014 #41
PushPolling much? GusBob Jun 2014 #10
Yes, that's why I wouldn't answer it. Old and In the Way Jun 2014 #11
The choices are worded almost identically to the pro-Hillary yurbud Jun 2014 #27
I Love this Post -- Nail on the head /nt Armstead Jun 2014 #12
I want Hillary and a primary. I hope a primary challenge would move hrr more to the left. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #13
...For the duration of the primary challenge Scootaloo Jun 2014 #30
I hope not but I understand your cynicism. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #31
it's not cynicism Scootaloo Jun 2014 #32
i did not read any of the questions tiredtoo Jun 2014 #15
we have to primary more of the crony capitalist Democrats yurbud Jun 2014 #19
Why on earth would people settle Union Scribe Jun 2014 #18
Because, the party has beaten fear into the membership that anyone other than the dlc candidate will newthinking Jun 2014 #59
I'm a Democrat who votes for/against policies & prinicples. Not politians or brand. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22
That's why I added "or the equivalent". I like Hillary as a person in some ways yurbud Jun 2014 #26
You mean you're an issues voter? How scandalous. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #56
First, i saw that poll and thought it was bullshit, that ONLY 11% of DEMOCRATS randys1 Jun 2014 #28
1/4 of the party has moved independent in the last 4 years. Those are likely mostly liberals that newthinking Jun 2014 #60
Well, remember, Americans are trained to hate the word "liberal" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #29
Can you provide some examples of DUers who are trained to hate the word" liberal"? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #35
How many times have you seen this phrase: Scootaloo Jun 2014 #38
And how about the "You progressives" sneer historylovr Jun 2014 #42
Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #46
Sure you haven't Scootaloo Jun 2014 #48
Well if this is so widespread as you claimed Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50
Well, we already covered that you've "never seen it" Scootaloo Jun 2014 #52
Which thread are you talking about? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #53
Somewhat more, definitely. But I'd still vote for her. nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #33
I would definitely consider myself part of that 11% tech3149 Jun 2014 #34
yep--that's the frustrating thing. The policies that need to change most are the most untouchable yurbud Jun 2014 #37
I am, as are *most* DUrs. baldguy Jun 2014 #40
Can't help but notice Cali_Democrat isn't demanding you back that claim up. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #49
Definitely in that 11%. historylovr Jun 2014 #43
I just want to win the f'in election with a candidate that has integrity (i.e.) BootinUp Jun 2014 #44
I'm definitely part of the 11%. antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #45
You have evidence that Hillary Clinton holds those positions, right? brooklynite Jun 2014 #47
Hell no. I think Hillary is a wonderful progressive Democrat. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #51
More Progressive - We Can Start With This List Of Reforms cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54
I'm happy either way (Hillary or a more progressive candidate) agentS Jun 2014 #55
I support the Democratic platform, and those candidates which also support it. LanternWaste Jun 2014 #67
I look at politicians actions and donors. They take those platforms about as seriously as yurbud Jun 2014 #68
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