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LiberalFighter

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74. It should be a separate entity
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jul 2014

with any contributions used solely for that purpose. It could not go back to the church in any form. The church could still run it but the finances have to be kept separate.

Should other tax exempt organizations lose tax exempt status as well? el_bryanto Jul 2014 #1
Which other organizations are you thinking of? Churches seem to me to often clearly act as legal Squinch Jul 2014 #2
Well like PETA for example, or Greenpeace. The Sierra club. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #4
I see your point. But I was raised in the Catholic Church, and the wealth and property and Squinch Jul 2014 #7
That could work. I could see supporting that. nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #8
Support homegirl Jul 2014 #33
Hmmmm - no. Thanks for your suggestion though. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #35
this is the first sane idea i have seen on this topic ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #11
So, only small organization can avoid the tax? joeglow3 Jul 2014 #14
Not necessarily small. An organization that brings in a heap more than some defined set of Squinch Jul 2014 #25
Most non-profits generate and spend large amounts of cash joeglow3 Jul 2014 #86
But those are all costs of doing business. Those aren't purchases of new property or investments Squinch Jul 2014 #93
I would go with all churches losing tax exempt status. LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #62
Or those charities act are kept as parts of the original organization and they act as deductions Squinch Jul 2014 #94
The charitable org would alreay be utilizing the deductions LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #111
Like this a lot. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #107
And, as with everyone else, let their charitable activities act as deductions. Squinch Jul 2014 #108
I made that connection. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #109
I get it. I have family members who were Squinch Jul 2014 #110
No. Those aren't religious organizations. Orrex Jul 2014 #16
So you would favor ending the tax exempt status of all churchs, regardless of whether they el_bryanto Jul 2014 #17
Yes, I would end the tax exempt status of all churches. Orrex Jul 2014 #19
OK - well I can't support that, unless you are going to end all non-profit organizations as well. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #22
Your support. MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #65
Well I suppose it isn't. We are still decades away from ending the tax-exempt status of churches el_bryanto Jul 2014 #68
I propose ending the tax-exempt status of churches on religious grounds Orrex Jul 2014 #80
I don't think I would support it in any case el_bryanto Jul 2014 #82
For me, the religious component is central Orrex Jul 2014 #85
If homegirl Jul 2014 #36
Companies pay taxes on income not on profit, I believe el_bryanto Jul 2014 #41
Yes they "pay" tax on taxable income LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #69
They're not violating the separation of church and state MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #31
There are a number of different arguments for why you should end the tax exempt status of religion el_bryanto Jul 2014 #34
You assume much MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #37
OK - So you are opposed to ending the tax-exempt status for churches? Or in favor of it? nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #38
Did you even read my comment? MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #40
Yes I did el_bryanto Jul 2014 #42
It wasn't clear? MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #43
You know when I find that people haven't understood what I have written and ask clarifying questions el_bryanto Jul 2014 #45
I deal with a lot of trolls on another forum MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #46
Not sure about the Sierra club arikara Jul 2014 #100
If they stick their noses into political matters, yes. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #3
If a religion doesn't stick it's nose into political matters it should keep it's tax-exempt status el_bryanto Jul 2014 #6
Yes!-nt Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #10
NO Brainstormy Jul 2014 #26
Absolutely not! LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #71
What if a church runs a successful soup kitchen? nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #72
It should be a separate entity LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #74
And if they don't want to separate the two, than they pay taxes on both, I take it? nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #75
Yes! LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #77
OK fair enough el_bryanto Jul 2014 #78
The increase in atheists and those not church goers should make an impact. LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #84
what about where the two meet? ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #12
There's taking a moral stance and taking a political stance. Not always the same thing. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #18
but saying they're right or wrong IS considered a political position ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #20
Only if you believe that a church knows the best political solution to a problem el_bryanto Jul 2014 #21
i would wager most IN the church would say they have the correct solution ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #24
Do they have the correct solution for what people should do? or do they the have the correct el_bryanto Jul 2014 #27
indeed... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #28
Where then is the relevant and precise division between political and religious matters? LanternWaste Jul 2014 #73
So, when YarnAddict Jul 2014 #83
Tax exempt status sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #23
Actually, that sounds like the best way to go about it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #54
Here is my problem ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #76
They can already do this dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #99
I completely agree with your last statement ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #101
Well, my point was dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #103
I understand ... aggiesal Jul 2014 #104
Yes, I agree - eom dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #105
The Yearly Cost of Religious Tax Exemptions: $71,000,000,000 Generic Other Jul 2014 #87
$71 billion dollars? could you please provide a citation? nt el_bryanto Jul 2014 #88
Sorry, I was afraid of being alerted on for citing the WashPo Generic Other Jul 2014 #91
Thanks, excellent info dreamnightwind Jul 2014 #98
Clearly the trumped-up IRS scandal canard shows that 501(4) shows that status should be... Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #5
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2014 #9
Obviously sheep farming and fleecing is a for profit enterprise! on point Jul 2014 #13
Indeed. I have yet to read Gen. Smedly Butlers follow up- Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #15
"Tax Exempt Status" or "Tax Deductible Status" HenryWallace Jul 2014 #29
Not ALL churches become involved in politics. ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #30
They have to spend a certain percent charity work. They get around that will missions to alfredo Jul 2014 #32
START BY ENDING THE OVER $1.5 TRILLION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION FOR ALL........... zwyziec Jul 2014 #39
This is the place to start. DURHAM D Jul 2014 #48
Wow. Just wow!-nt Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #53
Duke? n/t aggiesal Jul 2014 #81
^^^THIS^^^ Tom Ripley Jul 2014 #79
Sorry but I can't agree. I think non-profits including houses of worship should have tax exempt hrmjustin Jul 2014 #44
I agree with you in principle. Moostache Jul 2014 #49
Mega Churches do deserve more scrutiny. I heard you actually have to buy a ticket to get into some hrmjustin Jul 2014 #51
They should be no different than other non-profits Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2014 #55
I think most houses of worship provide more than 20,000 dollars a year in services. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #58
Quite likely... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2014 #63
Most churches in this nation provide services to the poor. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #70
I agree.. Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2014 #89
That is really shocking...they charge admission to that crap?!?!?!?!? Moostache Jul 2014 #57
Yes they bring in so much money a Sunday that they do need more scrutiny. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #59
Jesus wept. (nt) Moostache Jul 2014 #60
Indeed! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #61
If done, all those churches will disappear, and the oligarchs would never allow that. nt valerief Jul 2014 #47
Wow! 'Put all freedom of expression on equal footing' was my first thought this morning! freshwest Jul 2014 #50
No way, Churches are way too powerful and would dominate in politics if they were not tax exempt. dilby Jul 2014 #52
That's an interesting take on the subject Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2014 #56
My point exactly MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #66
Huh never thought of it that way. Initech Jul 2014 #90
Absolutely not LittleBlue Jul 2014 #64
Data? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2014 #92
Looks like The Law is throwing their hat in the ring MynameisBlarney Jul 2014 #67
Making this part of the Democratic party platform would destroy the party onenote Jul 2014 #95
Asking churches to pay tax when they run golf courses, hotels and use Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #96
Churches should follow the same rules and oversight of other non-profits... Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #97
...and corporations.... grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #102
Wouldn't they simply set themselves up as non-profits? nt. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #106
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