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9. this is a contrived article designed to inflame
Mon Jul 7, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jul 2014

. . .with little actual fact to go with all of their broad assumptions and claims. In the olden days, we regarded this as flamebait. Those with dim memories of past political skirmishes latch onto opposition-generated bait like this and appropriate it into their own campaigns.

It's an easy hook which has very little resemblance, to folks who know the score, to Hillary's actual strategy or record. Clinton has one of the most liberal records among her Democratic peers; has an overall record that is mostly in line with the most progressive of her legislative colleagues. This article is only believable if you buy into the memes around here that have her voting and acting like an Eisenhower republican.

consider her voting record provided by the Left Coaster:

1.1 Consistent with observations (and caveats) in Part 1 of this series, outside of national security and war, Sen. Clinton gets high-to-very-high progressive scores almost across the board. In short, her voting history reflects a very high consistency of voting with a majority of the most progressive Senators in Congress across a multitude of issues - especially those concerning corporate interests. This does not, in any way, mean that she never voted badly - of course she has done so, but on the whole she voted far more in sync with the most progressive members of Congress than otherwise . . .

1.2 When we look at the overall Progressive Punch score for Sen. Clinton, it is apparent that on the whole, she voted more progressively and more in sync with the most progressive Democrats in the Senate (92%) than did Sen. Obama (90%). Now, granted there is likely to be some noise in the data - so, let's be somewhat conservative in our assessment and say that she was at least as progressive overall in her voting pattern as Sen. Obama.

1.3 Although the Far Right would love to try and make Sen. Lieberman and Sen. Clinton seem like twins separated at birth, Sen. Lieberman's voting record is nothing like Sen. Clinton's in the majority of categories. Sen. Lieberman broke with the most progressive Senators far more frequently than Sen. Clinton did and voted with the GOP far more frequently than Sen. Clinton did. Clearly, we can't look at his voting record and conclude that he has a "solid" progressive record overall. For example, on labor rights he is at 58% to Sen. Clinton's 91% progressive score according to Progressive Punch.

On corporate subsidies he is at 67% to Sen. Clinton's 100% progressive score. On war and peace his progressive score is at an abysmal 48% (more than 1 in 2 votes with the GOP and against the most progressive Democrats!) compared to Sen. Clinton's 80% - which in turn is just slightly lower than Sen. Obama's (86%) scores on war and peace. Indeed, on human rights and civil liberties, Sen. Clinton has the highest score at 82%, slightly ahead of Sen. Obama (77%).


view the tables here: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

(comparison to Lieberman was just the politics at the time of the survey.)

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This isn't the NY Times noticing anything.... DonViejo Jul 2014 #1
It is my opinion too betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #2
That's fine, and I don't have a problem with that... DonViejo Jul 2014 #3
Thank you. Beacool Jul 2014 #8
Comparing this piece with Klein is the height of silliness. cali Jul 2014 #45
the op did just that bigtree Jul 2014 #48
Afternoon kick betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #4
More opinion piece trash being pushed as fact. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #5
Did she or did she not actively support the appointment of Kagans betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #7
that was Obama's choice, he nominated her. bigtree Jul 2014 #11
Well if you think Nuland is so wonderful betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #13
Neolibs and neocons are first cousins sharing their love in American Exceptionalism. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #6
this is a contrived article designed to inflame bigtree Jul 2014 #9
Progressive punch scores were used to make Lieberman look betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #14
The only fact needed to know is she took Koch money to start the DLC. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #30
There is precious little actual data in those tables. Maedhros Jul 2014 #34
Not Really The tines, Sir, Just Heilbrunn The Magistrate Jul 2014 #10
Yea he is a right winger and he is quite clearly praising Clinton! betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #17
Does Not Sound Like Praise, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #20
We don't coronate people in this country betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #21
No, Sir, We Elect Them The Magistrate Jul 2014 #23
Not until after she wins the primary betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #24
I Suspect, Sir, You Have No Idea What My Views In 2008 Were The Magistrate Jul 2014 #29
Many people genuinely disliked the war. It isn't just hatred. betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #35
In Other Words, Sir: You Own To Membership In The Group Described In The Final Paragraph The Magistrate Jul 2014 #38
No I don't because you are trying to make it out like betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #39
A Difference Without a Distinction, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #40
In your mind hating someone and hating their policies is the betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #41
Your Tone in Denunciation, Sir, Makes Clear You See No Distinction The Magistrate Jul 2014 #42
Another subjective betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #43
Surely, Sir, You Do Not Imagine Yourself An Objective Observer? The Magistrate Jul 2014 #44
strawman now n/t betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #46
So You Are a Believer In Ritual Chants, Sir? The Magistrate Jul 2014 #47
Why do you default to calling people "Sir?" betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #49
Gosh, does anyone wonder why "the Media" is pushing Ms. Clinton again as the inevitable? Atman Jul 2014 #12
friendly with Murdoch, right? reddread Jul 2014 #15
I don't even know where you're beginning... Atman Jul 2014 #27
murderer reddread Jul 2014 #28
now that the "assume" cliche has played out reddread Jul 2014 #32
At least you confused me even more. Atman Jul 2014 #33
Back to cliches reddread Jul 2014 #36
Finally its put on the table! !!! mylye2222 Jul 2014 #16
you've adopted two clear right-wingers' attempts to put a wedge between Hillary and the Dem party bigtree Jul 2014 #18
Whatever betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #22
The Media’s Made-Up Catfight Between Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren bigtree Jul 2014 #25
I didn't post that story betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #26
you posted the ancillary article and referenced the first one with your link bigtree Jul 2014 #31
You better vote for Hillary or you are a "surrender" monkey. L0oniX Jul 2014 #19
If Democrats want my vote in the 2016 Presidential Election, Maedhros Jul 2014 #37
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