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Hoyt

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147. He won't get it, and I'm not convinced he wants it. I do know that it
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 02:54 AM
Jul 2014

would be stupid not to participate in the talks, even if TPP is unlikely to pass here.

there you go again, criticizing the president's wishes for the 99% :-) nt msongs Jul 2014 #1
They cannot. djean111 Jul 2014 #2
Prophetic 1994 Interview On GATT - No One Fighting For The TPP Could Be A Friend Of The 99% - Link Below cantbeserious Jul 2014 #3
those are great videos. Thanks for posting those. nt antigop Jul 2014 #17
^^^^^^^^Don't miss this post.^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Jul 2014 #116
That was certainly right on the money. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #148
I was dumbstruck! cprise Jul 2014 #152
The best on DU ^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2014 #158
He warned about Derivatives, among other things. Martin Eden Jul 2014 #165
It's most likely horrible for the average American. It will further erode what's left of... stillwaiting Jul 2014 #4
Sadly, more don't care because even the secrecy is secret. arcane1 Jul 2014 #7
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #103
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #5
"Free trade" and freedom/democracy are incompatible. arcane1 Jul 2014 #6
They can't. They are, to use your own words, "violently mutually exclusive." woo me with science Jul 2014 #8
That's why Warren's "Hillary is terrific" comment is disappointing cprise Jul 2014 #57
You are so right. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #108
Nice. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #106
They can't. They can be arguably less hostile but that is far as I can go with it. TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #9
Bingo! Scuba Jul 2014 #10
TPP is Game Over. blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #11
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #12
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #13
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Jul 2014 #14
and how can anyone claim that a TPP supporter supports Democratic goals? nt antigop Jul 2014 #15
The pro-TPP people use the same argument as the pro-GMO people. pnwmom Jul 2014 #16
It's like trending toward a Brave New World. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #142
They can't nor can they if they support Torture or acts of war against innocent people. Vincardog Jul 2014 #18
+1 for Western Civilization reddread Jul 2014 #157
A kick and recommend for visibility of THE most important issue. Populist_Prole Jul 2014 #19
EXACTLY right. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #20
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #110
In one word? No. AAO Jul 2014 #21
No, they don't need it... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #22
It must be very tiring to be your friend. randome Jul 2014 #23
There's one nice thing about the TPP and other MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #26
When the SS cuts coming again?? JoePhilly Jul 2014 #48
When are the other 82% of the Bush tax cuts getting repealed? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #49
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #112
Keep selling it. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #183
Who put SS cuts on the table again? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #175
They exist. The GOP hates them. JoePhilly Jul 2014 #185
The elderly and disabled ARE there. Sorry to be so disgruntled on behalf of the most vulnerable sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #193
Not this utter nonsense again. woo me with science Jul 2014 #187
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #111
Indeed. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #180
Who is "pro" TPP? We can't be for or against something we haven't yet seen. MADem Jul 2014 #28
Um, Obama? Hillary Clinton? Marr Jul 2014 #33
They are for the PROCESS. They are for a treaty that binds together a group of nations to MADem Jul 2014 #55
I'm sorry, but that's just desperately, unconvincingly naive. Marr Jul 2014 #60
And we know that many in Congress aren't supporting it, but you'd never guess that by looking MADem Jul 2014 #67
Way to go, Marr. Excellent argument. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #115
Obama wants fast track authority to speed passage of his agreement. pa28 Jul 2014 #61
He might not get it. This thing just isn't popular, first off, and second, we're apparently not MADem Jul 2014 #66
all the more reason to not be complacent & "give up" hopemountain Jul 2014 #83
Why does the President want something that is harmful to working class Americans? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #118
Really? Obama makes you "suspicious?" MADem Jul 2014 #139
Hilarious! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #141
Yep, that's my response. nt MADem Jul 2014 #144
He won't get it, and I'm not convinced he wants it. I do know that it Hoyt Jul 2014 #147
Trade agreements are passed as regular laws, not as treaties Hippo_Tron Jul 2014 #65
And they might not have that simple majority in the House. This thing is not as popular amongst the MADem Jul 2014 #73
The OP didn't say squat about the TPP's popularity either here or abroad MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #91
Well, the popularity--or lack thereof--of the TPP makes a difference as to how much weight MADem Jul 2014 #105
My hero? I wrote that? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #137
And I just named him as the architect of "smart track" to reconcile concerns with the TPP. MADem Jul 2014 #143
Of course nothing will happen until after the election, which we KNOW, and which is WHY it is sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #176
There's a huge cadre of legislators who have to stand for reelection on a frequent basis in the MADem Jul 2014 #190
Clever wording. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #119
We entered into CAFTA, and not all that many years later, we have an influx of immigrants JDPriestly Jul 2014 #149
That's not an unimportant point but it is tangential to this one. MADem Jul 2014 #191
As Elizabeth Warren was told... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #36
Do you really want conservatives weighing in with anti-choice positions? randome Jul 2014 #38
"Negotiating in secret is essential to keep special interests out." F4lconF16 Jul 2014 #41
Agreed. davidthegnome Jul 2014 #166
There are hundreds of private US corporations getting real-time info on the talks, MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #46
+1 GoneFishin Jul 2014 #117
The President is a trusting person. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #121
What? Armstead Jul 2014 #84
If you're concerned about choice you should know about our partners rights record. pa28 Jul 2014 #88
Dang! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #122
oh, really? then, it is not a democracy hopemountain Jul 2014 #92
Well said. It is fascism. It is the merger of state and corporations, and the dismantling woo me with science Jul 2014 #100
It is precisely Fascism. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #123
LOL Enthusiast Jul 2014 #120
We haven't properly recovered from the CAFTA agreement. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #150
I like Elizabeth Warren, I helped get her elected, but I don't need her to explain things to me. MADem Jul 2014 #40
"I *swear* Charlie Brown, I swear!" MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #44
And...there you go again, right on schedule. MADem Jul 2014 #50
YOU are the one claiming that the US must keep the talks secret. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #53
No, I am not saying that--I'm saying that it's what they agreed to when they entered the process. MADem Jul 2014 #59
You are stating that our country agreed to enter secret negotiations MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #77
I think YOU need to provide that reference--you're the one complaining about it, not me. MADem Jul 2014 #101
Wait... So *you* claim our President swore an oath of secrecy, then MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #104
No, you did, apparently. MADem Jul 2014 #107
Ok then, we'll call it a draw. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #132
Sure. MADem Jul 2014 #145
Wow, that was a very long post about Manny. nt woo me with science Jul 2014 #97
I guess if you can't dazzle them with brilliance... nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #109
You know all about that, I'm sure. nt MADem Jul 2014 #113
+1 woo me with science Jul 2014 #124
I find it amazing. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #125
Tea Tots are not the only group pandered to roseBudd Jul 2014 #54
Physician Heal Thyself Armstead Jul 2014 #89
there is plenty of information extant to draw the very reasonable conclusion cali Jul 2014 #151
It's not a 'deal' though. It's a process. As I've said, repeatedly. MADem Jul 2014 #192
And Warren was "told" by Larry Summers "Insiders don't criticize other insiders!" cascadiance Jul 2014 #45
Fortunately, Warren and a few others kept Summers MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #86
Think maybe we should be able to see it and consider it? Armstead Jul 2014 #82
We surely will at some point in time. MADem Jul 2014 #136
And we are asked to assume it is "bad" treestar Jul 2014 #154
While I agree that there should be more transparency in the process, I can understand MADem Jul 2014 #189
I believe you've asked that question before and the answer is still the same. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #181
How about not asking such divisive rhetoricals in the first place? How about discussing the issue? MADem Jul 2014 #188
Seems to me that you are making a simple issue, complicated. There has been no one that rhett o rick Jul 2014 #194
So you, too, are ready to toss Wyden under the bus? nt MADem Jul 2014 #197
Yeah, that's called 'not caring'. Marr Jul 2014 #30
Fair enough but I don't see that Obama is my implied 'enemy' because of one specific issue. randome Jul 2014 #39
Obama aside, These "free trade" agrements ARE the enemy of the 99 percent Armstead Jul 2014 #90
+1. Thank you. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #128
I don't see why any liberal would need to check any list to find out what might please another sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #68
Consistently Liberal? Why only a shill for George Bush could be MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #78
True, the word has been hi-jacked it seems by the Third Way thinking it is clever sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #87
++++1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #130
Geez. Great post. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #129
How do you respond to, "How can a person who fights for the TPP be considered a friend of the 99%?" rhett o rick Jul 2014 #184
Yep MissDeeds Jul 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author IkeRepublican Jul 2014 #25
TPP followers are simply stupid and frustrated IkeRepublican Jul 2014 #27
I think some of them may benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Jul 2014 #34
I like your style, Ike. davidthegnome Jul 2014 #171
That is true IkeRepublican Jul 2014 #198
We haven't had a president that's for the people since Carter. There won't be another one IMO. L0oniX Jul 2014 #29
Believe it or not... MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #32
Where would we be now had we followed his conservation agenda of fuel efficient cars. L0oniX Jul 2014 #35
I remember it well. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #131
I consider anyone who supports the TPP, my sworn enemy. 99Forever Jul 2014 #31
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jul 2014 #37
this + 1. nt navarth Jul 2014 #42
Me too. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #133
Senator Wyden is your sworn enemy, then. MADem Jul 2014 #114
Yes yes yes! Populist_Prole Jul 2014 #146
K & R historylovr Jul 2014 #43
Let's not forget about TISA that is trying to sneak in with all of our attention on the TPP... cascadiance Jul 2014 #47
2000 stepped it up . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #52
+1000000 woo me with science Jul 2014 #99
That's what I'm saying. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #135
+1! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #134
Because the 1% says they are . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2014 #51
That's not a problem Manny..... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #56
TPP is geopolitical. joshcryer Jul 2014 #58
Yes, it is an "alliance." MADem Jul 2014 #62
I didn't intend to imply it was about pollution. joshcryer Jul 2014 #63
I didn't think you did, it was just that your comments here MADem Jul 2014 #75
Thank you for that perspective. n/t cheapdate Jul 2014 #69
I agree. Very good analysis. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #79
Not really. joshcryer Jul 2014 #155
so the cause is loss of manufacturing questionseverything Jul 2014 #178
I know. joshcryer Jul 2014 #186
I agree with you -- but the values it represents is a Catch 22 Armstead Jul 2014 #93
DURec leftstreet Jul 2014 #64
China is getting uppity, India is getting expensive, plenty of cheap fresh meat in Vietnam, etc whereisjustice Jul 2014 #70
You cannot support this abomination and claim to be even a decent human being, let alone sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #71
Do you know something that Paul Krugman doesn't? Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #74
Maybe Paul Krugman didn't read the leaks from Wikileaks, or maybe he doesn't care sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #81
Actually, Paul Krugman issued a statement after he made these comments, woo me with science Jul 2014 #95
Thanks, I am always amazed that people think, or at least some people, that if they appeal to some sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #102
Krugman is brilliant in many ways -- but he has always had a blind spot for free trade Armstead Jul 2014 #94
+1 woo me with science Jul 2014 #96
That's because he never worked in a factory in Ohio. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #138
Amen. woo me with science Jul 2014 #76
You can declare Hillary Clinton your enemy. cheapdate Jul 2014 #72
I did not advise Hillary on which position to take. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #85
Yes, politicians get to decide for themselves what they believe. cheapdate Jul 2014 #98
Trade, as in the TPP, trumps all issues. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #140
Gosh, you're right. Anyway, it's all the same thing. Flip a coin. There's no difference. cheapdate Jul 2014 #177
Enemy or not, just imagine if there were no Clintons, if we had an open field. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #80
K&R a thousand times. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #126
This should have hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #127
Manny that person is not - TBF Jul 2014 #153
How can a person who fights for the TPP ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #156
+10 (nt) PosterChild Jul 2014 #160
Right after he's done renegotiating NAFTA, you mean? He's got a track record of fibbing here. Romulox Jul 2014 #161
Because he has absolutely had nothing else to do. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #162
NAFTA is generally credited with destroying more than a half-million American jobs MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #169
I get it... PosterChild Jul 2014 #159
I notice the pro-TPP arguments are fewer and far-between of late...... marmar Jul 2014 #163
If trade is so bad, we should easily Progressive dog Jul 2014 #164
In your opinion, which "free" trade agreement of the past 25 years MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #167
I'm just pointing out where Democratic Progressive dog Jul 2014 #173
Can you point to where Obama ran on a platform of new "free" trade agreements? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #182
That is silly, Progressive dog Jul 2014 #195
2012 was a little late - we were stuck with Obama MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #196
If you are so set against trade agreements, Progressive dog Jul 2014 #199
They are not. NealK Jul 2014 #168
There is *nothing* good that will come out of this trade agreement. And the secrecy proves it. (nt) w4rma Jul 2014 #170
You know what's weird about this, Manny? davidthegnome Jul 2014 #172
yes, we need a Snowden-type leak of the TPP grasswire Jul 2014 #179
Only if you believe the people who say "person" fights with TPP and take their word for it... uponit7771 Jul 2014 #174
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