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freshwest

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112. And that's who they need talking to them. The Israelis can handle the truth. They'll live.

Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:16 AM

Jul 2014

Obama, Kerry, Reid and Rice are warning them the world has changed and they must adapt.

That's what a true friend does, not flatter and let someone destroy themselves. Which is what Israel is doing.

'Beautiful, human, and sad in some way, altogether' shows Kerry is the best man for this task. Thanks for that astute description.

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US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry [View all] Peacetrain Jul 2014 OP

With friends like Israel.... Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #1

I think things are about to get very interesting.. ... Peacetrain Jul 2014 #2

Agreed. Why anyone believes Israel is our friend is beyond me. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #7

They give us a toe hold in the area so we can die/kill for the oil industry more efficiently. Marr Jul 2014 #65

Some may think that, but I think just the opposite. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #68

DING DING DING! WE have a winner! Bettie Jul 2014 #122

We really need to move over to clean sustainable energy abelenkpe Jul 2014 #79

They are our only 840high Jul 2014 #101

If you consider it friendly Aerows Jul 2014 #103

K&R. for u. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #118

What the heck does that mean? Our only friends... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #106

You're right about Jordan and Quatar. 840high Jul 2014 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #3

Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #5

That's like someone being behind on the cable bill conservaphobe Jul 2014 #4

Seriously, Obama needs to start sending someone else to broker stuff with TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #6

Yes, that's right we must appease Israel at all costs. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #8

They didn't want him to come and negotiate anything to begin with, remember. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #12

So your logic is "They didn't want him to come negotiate anything" so ... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #19

IF we send someone, it should be someone that they agree to--we can't impose TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #24

Anyone to the left of Shelly Adelson is geek tragedy Jul 2014 #26

That's the point. stranger81 Jul 2014 #33

So we give them aid, we give them weapons but we can't decide our negotiator? BillZBubb Jul 2014 #31

For a while last year, we didn't really have diplomatic relations with Egypt. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #34

Remember the term "political capital" Calista241 Jul 2014 #70

Kerry didnt damage himself . mylye2222 Jul 2014 #113

They don't want to negotiate period... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #38

Precisely malaise Jul 2014 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jul 2014 #61

Really? It would delight the RW both there and in US mylye2222 Jul 2014 #9

He wouldn't be discredited--it's just that there may be too much personal TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #16

You got me at some point. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #20

And that's who they need talking to them. The Israelis can handle the truth. They'll live. freshwest Jul 2014 #112

In other words Kerry finally understands what the Israelis are up to... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #21

You do mean that Kerry's acting mylye2222 Jul 2014 #27

I don't think I would want anyone Aerows Jul 2014 #96

He needs to stop sending people. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #11

I'd hate to see us not a part of the proceedings, but you may have a point. TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #14

We really don't have a constructive role to play imo. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #15

That very well may be. We are the primary benefactor and supporter of one of the two parties stranger81 Jul 2014 #35

That's just it - Kerry is the MOST honest broker for these talks and Israel knows it. blm Jul 2014 #94

You stated the big picture, good. freshwest Jul 2014 #115

Israel doesn't respect us Aerows Jul 2014 #102

And we should worry about a foreign nation's 'anger' at our President (yes, I've been following sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #22

You've been a bright light at the end of the tunnel on this. bravenak Jul 2014 #28

Fuck 'em. stranger81 Jul 2014 #36

It's kinda insulting isn't it? bravenak Jul 2014 #43

I couldn't agree more. stranger81 Jul 2014 #46

I think that us democrats who do not like killing are going to have to shoulder the burden. bravenak Jul 2014 #48

I think that's the only possible avenue for change. stranger81 Jul 2014 #51

I agree very seldom with libertarians so i haven't looked much. bravenak Jul 2014 #57

Rand Paul sucks, big time. cpwm17 Jul 2014 #64

We don't need anyone carrying a torch for the racist, misogynist, theocratic Pauls. freshwest Jul 2014 #114

I think you misunderstood? cpwm17 Jul 2014 #119

Oops, that sounded wrong. Agreeing with you and glad for what you posted. freshwest Jul 2014 #121

Thank you for that reply cpwm17 Jul 2014 #124

Rand Paul still sucks, and would be chopped off at the knees if he truly has national ambitions. No Tarheel_Dem Jul 2014 #82

I should also add, though, that you have to take the online comments sections with a grain of salt. stranger81 Jul 2014 #49

I think most of the jerks are rightwingers. bravenak Jul 2014 #59

That's what I think Israeli leaders ought to be (but aren't) worried about... regnaD kciN Jul 2014 #104

You too, bravenak. I too have been reading the Israeli press, and I remember Netanyahu coming sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #37

Absolutely! bravenak Jul 2014 #40

But they sure like alsame Jul 2014 #42

Sure do!! bravenak Jul 2014 #45

That vote is always alsame Jul 2014 #50

+1 bravenak Jul 2014 #52

The only focus now should be getting a lasting ceasefire. If the US can't come up with TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #32

We should cut off all foreign aid and leave Israel to its own devices, I have a feeling that would sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #41

Only is by "step back" you mean tell Israel they are on their own... Moostache Jul 2014 #90

Was watching Bloomberg Business Report this a.m. And one of the anchors KoKo Jul 2014 #58

Amazing isn't it? The arrogance, that some tiny foreign country could actually believe, and they sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #63

I posted a reply above... KoKo Jul 2014 #66

Very insightful Koko. I had forgotten she was the assistant SOS. Of course that's what they want, no sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #71

Yep, Nuland is married to Kagan. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #78

Nuland is Asst Sec for a different area; for the Near East, it's Anne Patterson muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #97

I did wonder about State Dept. Protocol...and KoKo Jul 2014 #98

Here's an idea. Don't "negotiate" at all. Marr Jul 2014 #67

I think a skin head white supremist (sp) might be an interesting negotiator LiberalArkie Jul 2014 #88

If there exists more egregious ingrates geek tragedy Jul 2014 #10

Let them eat Koch. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #13

Or Issa!!!!! LOL mylye2222 Jul 2014 #18

I've said this for years..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #17

This needs to be its own post! Everybody needs to read this, my dear Swede Atlanta! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #23

No money, no weapons and NO covering for Israel in the UN. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #25

We would only have to threaten that to force them to start getting along with their neighbors. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #30

^^THIS^^ stranger81 Jul 2014 #39

Yes. nt alsame Jul 2014 #53

Speakin' to the choir here... ballyhoo Jul 2014 #54

Hows about we quit arming them period?!? easychoice Jul 2014 #75

Agree 100% Bettie Jul 2014 #123

for some reason your link doesn't work...nvm works now steve2470 Jul 2014 #29

Steve, I just hit the link and it went through Peacetrain Jul 2014 #55

yea it's no problem, I'm sure it was a Yahoo problem steve2470 Jul 2014 #56

I found a link from ABC new Peacetrain Jul 2014 #60

(From the ABC article): Buns_of_Fire Jul 2014 #92

Thought it was four or five paragraphs... freshwest Jul 2014 #116

Could be.. I thought it was three..but it has been a while Peacetrain Jul 2014 #120

These are our friends? 4now Jul 2014 #44

I thought it wsa more like $11 billion/yr? n/t ReRe Jul 2014 #84

Get back to me when a Government Official says something bad about him. dilby Jul 2014 #62

They made personal attacks on Kerry? Rex Jul 2014 #69

Yes..Press was labelling him an alien, a traitor etc..... mylye2222 Jul 2014 #72

... Rex Jul 2014 #74

No oberliner Jul 2014 #83

Do you know which one? Rex Jul 2014 #85

Haaretz, the Times of Israel.... mylye2222 Jul 2014 #87

Thanks. Rex Jul 2014 #89

"very senior officials" in the Israeli government called John Kerry a terrorist geek tragedy Jul 2014 #99

Thanks that is what I was wondering about. Rex Jul 2014 #111

I've got an idea. potone Jul 2014 #73

LOL! freshwest Jul 2014 #117

We need to stop arming them, stop sending them billions onecaliberal Jul 2014 #76

Hold on, are they "fuming" over something an Israeli official said? hughee99 Jul 2014 #77

So is it RWing media from Isreal? Rex Jul 2014 #86

From Israel. mylye2222 Jul 2014 #91

"Officials said the criticism ... could put the relationship ... in jeopardy." DRoseDARs Jul 2014 #80

Too bad they refuse to "fume" over all the Palestinian lives destroyed Scootaloo Jul 2014 #81

Quick way to get put on the -no fly- list. L0oniX Jul 2014 #93

"Obama administration officials were fuming..." ReRe Jul 2014 #95

Believe it or not "RT" reported "Cease Fire" didn't fail because of Kerry KoKo Jul 2014 #100

I would not want Kerry's job... ReRe Jul 2014 #107

Stop sending them money. Period. Marrah_G Jul 2014 #105

Officials said.... Caretha Jul 2014 #108

What other gifts will the Israelis provide? Another 2008 financial crisis? DisgustedTX Jul 2014 #109