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35. It's time to stop imagining what we wish the MIC would do, and look at the actual record.
Sat Aug 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Aug 2014

You have to ignore all of MIC recent history to believe that we will "do what we can and get the hell out." Obama even said today that the commitment in Iraq is open-ended.

We have a long history by which to evaluate the behavior of the MIC. This is part of a well-established pattern of crisis, intervention, destabilization, and crisis. It is a cycle, and it is linked to the military INDUSTRY which profits from it all. We have to stop reacting to the crises that the MIC's own behavior creates.

I'm going to link again to this post by JackRiddler that I think should have hundreds of recommendations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025355401

Add in the one by IchingCarpenter for good measure: We are at this point bombing our own guns:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025359142

The MIC's own behavior ensures the continuation of this cycle of violence. As JackRiddler's post points out, there are things they could do to show good faith in actually trying to end the violence rather than perpetuating this cycle, but their behavior, and the behavior of US politicians, does exactly the opposite.

It's a racket. It's shock doctrine. We're always reacting to a crisis we helped create, and we ignore the ones behind the scenes getting filthy rich from it all. Meanwhile, our country is hollowed out from all our money being poured into war.

No. It's time to end it.

People addicted to the gee whiz military technology of Hollywood and TV killer shows do not Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1
manny gets it questionseverything Aug 2014 #3
Manny gets I, I know. Thanks for the link. Someone should ask if America is aiding IDF. No one does. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #5
I noticed the reporters are very careful about the questions they ask the POTUS. nilesobek Aug 2014 #83
It is possible for the greatest military in the world to do something good. A Simple Game Aug 2014 #33
bombs dropped by democrats only kill bad guys, of course TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #2
"There's nothing that will stop these 10,000 people from establishing a caliphate from Spain to Chathamization Aug 2014 #12
Okay, how did this relatively miniscule group get so powerful in such a short time? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #40
Reward the guilty, punish the innocent. It's the American way! Scuba Aug 2014 #64
Yes, this has a rinse and repeat feel to it suffragette Aug 2014 #67
Hi suffragette, I agree. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #68
Yep and add the arms and finanacial support for Syrian rebels, some of whom now are ISIS suffragette Aug 2014 #110
Hi suffragette, I wish I had seen that post you made a year ago. Looking at it now, sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #126
Peace posts don't get the traction they used to on DU suffragette Aug 2014 #132
Sad isn't it, we on the left were the only hope to try to stop all these criminal invasions of sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #133
Yes, there are several things missing from this story: Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #69
Zarqawi? The one we 'killed' multiple times until we finally killed him, the one who had only sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #73
Yeah, that Zarqawi, the petty thief from Lebanon. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #82
Al Zarqawi was a myth. And there was no Al Queda in Iraq until WE BROUGHT IT THERE. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #84
Zarqawi was not "a myth." He was a real person, with a real history. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #85
I know he was a real person. But he was in no way the powerful, AQ Leader we were sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #88
That one, he sure was a good job creator. Every damn time we killed him someone else moved up Autumn Aug 2014 #87
Thank you, sabrina, for bringing up that article... MrMickeysMom Aug 2014 #108
Has no one reported on that anywhere? cui bono Aug 2014 #76
some sources are saying they are financed by the Saudis and by kuwait questionseverything Aug 2014 #91
Yep. Being sold a fairytale again. My guess is that they're not that powerful and they're part of a Chathamization Aug 2014 #79
Good post, some of us aren't suffering from amnesia regarding what has gone on in Iraq sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #123
Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2014 #127
They were funded by the Saudi's and other oil rich Sunni countries. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #113
Then a bunch of Sunni generals abandoned equipment for them. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #114
+1 freedom fighter jh Aug 2014 #17
You don't need to make up propaganda about how bad ISIS is. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #27
But, torture is patriotic, no? grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #29
Are you talking to me? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #71
What are we doing to help the victims of murder in Libya since we left? Would you support sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #43
So many questions. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #75
AND they gassed their OWN PEOPLE!!! mbperrin Aug 2014 #38
Carry on, brave internet warrior...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #41
In my country, the wise ones have two sayings for those who beat the drum for war. Zorra Aug 2014 #55
when is Canada going to send jets/troops to fight neverforget Aug 2014 #81
These aren't the same evildoers it was wrong to go after last time.... Pholus Aug 2014 #4
And then they woke up malaise Aug 2014 #6
They never really wake up. There's the rub. elias49 Aug 2014 #8
and those of us who stayed awake the whole time are left to despair TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #9
Yes it is. zeemike Aug 2014 #18
This time I disagree with you, Manny Cyrano Aug 2014 #7
If we wanted to stop the slaughter of the Iraqi people, over one million of them, and the sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #45
This whole thing smells...at first, I was all for helping those poor people trapped on a mountain. Stardust Aug 2014 #93
Exactly. Remember when we used to be slammed by the Bushbots for saying that the Iraq sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #107
Good ol' "Operation Iraqi Liberation." So obvious what the whole thing was about that it's Stardust Aug 2014 #109
Of course Charlie Brown, this time is for real. Lucy won't pull the ball away. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #104
talk about doing good bigtree Aug 2014 #10
Yeah, its getting much better RobertEarl Aug 2014 #11
Rumsfeld: "It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months" woo me with science Aug 2014 #13
Well, fer Chrissake, Perle was absolutely right. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #15
Boy, they sure weren't. woo me with science Aug 2014 #20
My kid graduates high school in ten years .... SomeGuyInEagan Aug 2014 #118
Obama: "This will be a long-term project" leftstreet Aug 2014 #23
Good god. nt woo me with science Aug 2014 #26
Here's a better suggestion regarding the 'diplomatic personnel', they just did it in Libya sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47
You are right to note that we may very well end up at war again. Laelth Aug 2014 #14
No, our first duty is to stop making it worse which we have continuously failed to do TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #22
Can't agree with you Cyrano Aug 2014 #24
It's time to stop imagining what we wish the MIC would do, and look at the actual record. woo me with science Aug 2014 #35
^^^^K&R^^^^ n/t ReRe Aug 2014 #98
Ditto. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #111
Why does 'fixing' Iraq have to be done with the military? swilton Aug 2014 #36
I can't address what we should have done differently. Laelth Aug 2014 #53
We continued to support the dictator Maliki, despite warnings of his brutal treatment sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #49
I am no fan of Maliki. Laelth Aug 2014 #52
Over a year ago, people were calling for Maliki to step down as his brutal treatment sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #56
We were stupid to think that Democracy would work well in Iraq. Laelth Aug 2014 #58
Of course we are responsible, and despite how it looks, we succeeded in OUR goals, sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #60
This should be an OP. woo me with science Aug 2014 #99
And, we'll have the "unfortunate deaths", "human shields" speeches ready when we don't. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #16
Don't worry, be happy ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #19
F'ing moonbats PowerToThePeople Aug 2014 #21
You know the funniest thing in your OP? Kiriakou is a torturer who defended msanthrope Aug 2014 #25
So you disagree with the contention that MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #30
He wasn't put in jail for exposing torture, Manny. He pled guilty to msanthrope Aug 2014 #37
*Pled* guilty. Interesting. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #51
Of course there was a plea....he chickenshitted out from a trial after his msanthrope Aug 2014 #54
so the penalty for the crime he pled guilty to MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #57
Manny...instead of the rhetorical gambits, why not state your point? msanthrope Aug 2014 #59
Seems like I asked an inconvenient question. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #62
Seems like you picked a CIA operative who defended torture as a poor msanthrope Aug 2014 #66
LOL. Must be frustrating. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #77
For you, perhaps. In the meantime, I am enjoying your current run. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #94
Me too. zappaman Aug 2014 #134
Maliki is a torturer, murderer and brutal dictator and our government is supporting HIM. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #50
Are you stalking Manny? You seem not to have much to add, just here to get on Manny's case. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #105
I'm stalking Manny? Is that how he feels? nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #115
It's how it looks. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #131
I knew Manny would... ClarkeVII Aug 2014 #28
Neener neener, ritual chants, don't get santimonious, look forward, patriots torture folks Corruption Inc Aug 2014 #31
You forgot "propaganda paradigm". You've been using that one for years...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #72
You forgot to mention we got a liability contract signed so we can't get sued. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #32
he'll do all the wrong things for the right reasons! or maybe say "antiwar activism is the MisterP Aug 2014 #34
So you seriously want us to just stand by while Boko Haram slaughter innocents? Chathamization Aug 2014 #39
K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #42
Iraq War II: Electric Boogaloo Die Harder Initech Aug 2014 #44
Mistified..... wow. Great minirant, k&r. DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #46
Tough John McCain knows who the killers are: he's looked into their eyes ..... marble falls Aug 2014 #48
You mean "suspected militants" aren't the right people? hughee99 Aug 2014 #61
To avoid counting civilian deaths, Obama re-defined "militant" to mean "all military-age males woo me with science Aug 2014 #80
Try a straightforward approach to what you have to say, Manny. MineralMan Aug 2014 #63
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #65
I suppose so. MineralMan Aug 2014 #70
A majority of DUers fully understand Manny's posts. The small minority who don't sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #103
Hahaha pa28 Aug 2014 #74
Meh Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #78
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2014 #86
Nice! nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #112
+1000000 The moral dumpster fire. woo me with science Aug 2014 #116
Manny, I am encouraged that you now realize the USA is the greatest nation ever. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #89
So, who's profiting off our newest killing spree in Iraq??? blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #90
Lots of mercenary groups, possibly our old friends Blackwater, or whatever they are calling sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #106
And the banks. woo me with science Aug 2014 #117
Yes, when you think about it, it has all worked out the way the neocons told us sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #124
so, ya think we should stand around waiting for the genocide? Will that "work" for you? What will? bettyellen Aug 2014 #92
Remember when I wanted to stand around waiting for MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #95
Wow, so this thread IS about Manny! Well yeah, not interested. bettyellen Aug 2014 #122
So you ask about *my* thoughts, I give you my thoughts, MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #128
I asked WHAT you thought WOULD work better. And got no real answer..... bettyellen Aug 2014 #129
those talking points dug out and brushed off from the free republic archives m-lekktor Aug 2014 #96
Thank you! vlakitti Aug 2014 #97
Indeed. woo me with science Aug 2014 #101
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #100
Waaaaah! The world's not a pacifist utopia!!! tabasco Aug 2014 #102
Yes indeed Manny. We can rest assured this will be a kinder, gentler bombing. Autumn Aug 2014 #119
ISIS scares me. n/t SylviaD Aug 2014 #120
K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #121
At least they'll look like the right people. marble falls Aug 2014 #125
we'll get it right this time! KG Aug 2014 #130
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