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In reply to the discussion: Re Michael Moore: "Liberals turn on one of their own" [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,065 posts)5. I think Moore did say some of the things you say "if he had said" about
And, since there doesn't appear to be a complete transcript anywhere on the internet, here is one:
I wrote Obama a letter and I said, 'Dear President Obama, god bless you, but you did not save Detroit. You saved General Motors, you saved Chrysler.'
Detroit, at this point, would stand a better chance if they were an Iraqi or Syrian city, in terms of getting some sort of help.
I think Obama sadly has been, you know, he's done many, many good things, but he has also been a huge disappointment. And I really feel like I wish somebody would say to him maybe Ill say it in case hes watching. You do read the Hollywood Reporter, Mr. President, don't you?
When the history is written of this era, this is how youll be remembered: He was the first black president. Okay, not a bad accomplishment, but thats it. Thats it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, he was the first black American that got elected president. And thats it. Eight years of your life and thats what people are got to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, know you, that youd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you couldve done. So, it's on that level - a big disappointment.
Detroit, at this point, would stand a better chance if they were an Iraqi or Syrian city, in terms of getting some sort of help.
I think Obama sadly has been, you know, he's done many, many good things, but he has also been a huge disappointment. And I really feel like I wish somebody would say to him maybe Ill say it in case hes watching. You do read the Hollywood Reporter, Mr. President, don't you?
When the history is written of this era, this is how youll be remembered: He was the first black president. Okay, not a bad accomplishment, but thats it. Thats it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, he was the first black American that got elected president. And thats it. Eight years of your life and thats what people are got to remember. Boy, I got a feeling, know you, that youd probably wish you were remembered for a few other things, a few other things you couldve done. So, it's on that level - a big disappointment.
Starting at 1:48 on the video here: http://abc13.com/society/michael-moore-obama-will-be-remembered-as-the-first-black-president-and-thats-it/303494/
The main thrust of what he said was that he's disappointed in Obama. I think it's clear he was hoping for more from Obama, though he doesn't accuse him of specifically breaking promises. He does say "he's done many, many good things". He's saying, in his opinion, they will not be memorable in the long term, and it disappoints him there haven't been major achievements of policy or outcomes, in his view. He sees being the first black president as an accomplishment, and notable.
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It's inaccurate and a barrier to communication. But, if you want to add ridiculous, who am I
merrily
Sep 2014
#95
Hint: NOT someone who, in the 1980s, would have been considered a moderate Republican.
merrily
Sep 2014
#94
I think Moore did say some of the things you say "if he had said" about
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#5
Moore is saying that a president shouldn't leave the welfare of US cities to their mayors
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#7
US presidents do not run US cities. Mayors or city managers do. You're welcome. nt
ucrdem
Sep 2014
#15
Conyers is a US Rep. The city of Detroit is in his district. He is elected to represent it.
ucrdem
Sep 2014
#18
And I'm not even American. I'm not saying it's your *job* to stand up for Detroit
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#21
Yes, but a straw man and the first mention on this thread of Obama being or not being the Mayor
merrily
Sep 2014
#27
The point of your Reply 45 to me is neither evident nor made and that is the only one I asked about.
merrily
Sep 2014
#50
Because Moore's claim is that Obama's actions as president won't be memorable
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#28
My point is that "he was the first black president" is praise, not criticism
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 2014
#88
Faulting Moore for not pouring $50 million of his own money into Detroit is silly
merrily
Sep 2014
#98
Who assumed your intentions? I did not say that this thread was an example of right wing behavior.
merrily
Sep 2014
#68
Two other factors that differed: a viable 3rd party candidate, and no widepread internet use.
arcane1
Sep 2014
#86
Moore's remark wasn't racist. You are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to portray it as such
Vattel
Sep 2014
#36
and there's the glitch in your "theory of mind": Moore's attacked for not being behind Obama 100%
MisterP
Sep 2014
#53
You assume that anyone who is not happy with the racial nature of his criticism
gollygee
Sep 2014
#73
Cuz if they turned a critical eye on MM, they'd have to do some introspection, and that's scary.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#101