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deutsey

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5. Duncan's first few hours in the hospital were apparently a disaster
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:13 PM
Oct 2014

in terms of precautions and containment.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/15/as_second_dallas_nurse_diagnosed_with

...allegations of the nurses on what actually happened in the days when Thomas Eric Duncan was at the Texas hospital. They talk about the fact that he came in an ambulance—this is the second time he had come to the hospital—with his family saying that they believed he had Ebola, and yet he was kept for hours in the emergency room among other patients, not isolated immediately. And even when a nurse supervisor complained and said he has to be put in isolation, that there was resistance from her supervisors to that. They talk about hospital supervisors coming in and out of the isolation unit without proper protection. They mention that the specimens for Mr. Duncan were sent through the tube system of the hospital to the labs, rather than being properly sealed and delivered, hand-delivered to the lab, which could possibly contaminate the entire tube system of the hospital. And also, what you mentioned about training, they say that the only training that was offered to them prior to this was a voluntary training, not even a required training, and it was largely just a seminar like any other seminar that they’re given at the hospital.

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Of course they took precautions cali Oct 2014 #1
Duncan's first few hours in the hospital were apparently a disaster deutsey Oct 2014 #5
ah... this makes more sense... the hospitals awareness seemed REALLY REALLY low uponit7771 Oct 2014 #7
That just baffles me deutsey Oct 2014 #10
It depends on if the Private For Profit hospital thinks it is worth it to have high awareness... SalviaBlue Oct 2014 #15
Wouldn't want to cut into the CEO's $5.7 million salary, would they? deutsey Oct 2014 #17
That's why we need single payer. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #27
Single payer doesn't end private for-profit hospitals. Recursion Oct 2014 #43
Or Canada, Australia Aerows Oct 2014 #45
And most of those do that with private providers Recursion Oct 2014 #46
The population of the US Aerows Oct 2014 #48
How many does Canada have? The UK? (nt) Recursion Oct 2014 #49
UK as small as it is Aerows Oct 2014 #50
It's gonna a be a historic textbook case...an avalanche of of error HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #22
I can''t recall where I read it, but the report from CDC said HC workers there had no protocall napi21 Oct 2014 #28
and when they expressed concern about their exposed necks, they were told to tape them up magical thyme Oct 2014 #66
There's more - Presbyterian workers wore no hazmat suits for two days while treating Ebola patient herding cats Oct 2014 #19
I'm as dumbfounded by this as you deutsey Oct 2014 #24
I'm not shocked at all. It's a red state that hates the federal government and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #53
My take ... LannyDeVaney Oct 2014 #2
lol... so true uponit7771 Oct 2014 #8
I read about how they "protected themselves" Kalidurga Oct 2014 #3
My take is that they did come in contact with fluids. SheilaT Oct 2014 #4
not easy to get, must have contact with bodily fluids of someone showing symptoms unblock Oct 2014 #6
I have heard it said a person has to be symptomatic and have a fever to be contagious but Autumn Oct 2014 #9
Well that would be true. On a global basis I would venture that the VAST kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #54
Having been in their shoes, but with less-deadly circumstances, it's almost impossible TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #11
Blame it on Texas. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #12
Ebola patients are splashy, that's my take. "Bodily fluids" is a sanitized name for.... Hekate Oct 2014 #13
Wow, I didn't know about this. Now THAT is cause arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #21
And we already know that dogs can become ASYMPTOMATICALLY kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #55
My understanding is tha the virus can't live very long arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #64
They have no clue how Patient Zero in the West African outbreak kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #56
Studying her pets feces makes sense. I would think local primates would be arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #65
OMG they had that video looping on local news ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #41
Whut? The guy I saw spraying wasn't in sandals, maybe I have it mixed up with the first nurse. lonestarnot Oct 2014 #47
My take is that they came into contact with fluids. Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #14
I heard right here you had to go out of your way to catch Ebola seveneyes Oct 2014 #16
It saddens me to see this because you were strongly in the CDC's corner apples and oranges Oct 2014 #18
The CDC made the mistake of assuming that when it announced hedgehog Oct 2014 #23
Nailed it...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #30
Engineers have a saying "You can't make anything idiot proof, hedgehog Oct 2014 #31
Yet when I worked in biotech MattBaggins Oct 2014 #52
This saying finds perfect application in this situation. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #59
This sounds like the most likely answer uponit7771 Oct 2014 #36
Yep. I've been told I'm a terrible person for saying as much. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #58
I still am, I don't reflexively dislike gov agencies... I don't think the CDC is doing a good job... uponit7771 Oct 2014 #39
I actually had a great deal of respect and trust in the CDC, but that was apples and oranges Oct 2014 #40
They could have contracted it when they were arthritisR_US Oct 2014 #20
Entropy. Rex Oct 2014 #25
No one wore protective gear for days, until Ebola was confirmed. morningfog Oct 2014 #26
Exactly. They should've started wearing protective gear when they suspected Ebola. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #29
Indeed. Bodily fluids is how you spread it. They weren't protected for too long. Appalling. uppityperson Oct 2014 #32
it is particularly present in the lungs Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #34
That's not true. They did wear protective gear. LisaL Oct 2014 #42
It could be the f*ck up of the new millenium Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #33
Wet fluids, teh patient himself, or contaminated objects collectively as fomites. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #35
The nurses cared for the patient, they TOUCHED the patient rustydog Oct 2014 #37
There's no proof that they "touched" the patient with bare hands and we should question what doesn't uponit7771 Oct 2014 #38
It's not CDC's job to prepare hospitals. It is their job to provide them with kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #60
Critial Ebola patients bleed out of their eyes, mouth, nose, and anus Recursion Oct 2014 #44
On Rachel's show last night, doctor said bleeding occurs only 18% of time Justice Oct 2014 #62
Most ebola cases do not become "critical". We still don't know why Recursion Oct 2014 #63
That is where I am too. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #51
BINGO! CDC Downplayed the risk, Then just sent "protocol" to hospitals, then didn't make sure uponit7771 Oct 2014 #61
This has been mishandled from the beginning Aerows Oct 2014 #57
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