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134. And, predictably, the smear/propaganda machine is on the job.

Sat Nov 29, 2014, 10:15 PM

Nov 2014

Like Snowden and Greenwald, Wikileaks and Noam Chomsky both reveal the crimes of our corporate/MIC corrupted government against humanity and democracy. And like Snowden and Greenwald, they will reliably be swarmed with smear whenever their names appear. This is how efficient and deeply tentacled the corruption really is now in the good old USA.

[font size=3]The relentlessness of the smear machine is directly proportional to the severity of the government crimes revealed by those being smeared.[/font size]

Let's remain explicit about what we are really dealing with here:

The US government's online campaigns of disinformation, manipulation, and smear.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024560097

Obama taps "cognitive infiltrator" Cass Sunstein for Committee to create "trust" in NSA:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023512796

Salon: Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal: Cass Sunstein wants the government to "cognitively infiltrate" anti-government groups
http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

Snowden: ‘Training Guide’ for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media Online
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/02/25/snowden-training-guide-for-gchq-nsa-agents-infiltrating-and-disrupting-alternative-media-online/

The influx of corporate propaganda-spouting posters is blatant and unnatural.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3189367

U.S. Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News To Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023262111

The goal of the propaganda assaults across the internet is not to convince anyone of anything.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801

The government figured out sockpuppet management but not "persona management."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023358242

The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4159454

Seventeen techniques for truth suppression.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4249741

Just do some Googling on astroturfing - big organizations have some sophisticated tools.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1208351

None of this is behavior that anyone should have to associate with the United States of America. These are the tactics of totalitarian states.

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Assange and Chomsky Appear Arm-In-Arm at Ecuadorian Embassy [View all] Karmadillo Nov 2014 OP

Assange looks like Gandalf. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #1

Co-incidence? You decide! dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #5

he should borrow Gandalf's belt snooper2 Dec 2014 #191

k/r nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #2

+1 daleanime Nov 2014 #7

"Assange claims" ... "where he fears" -- there's far too much bias in that phrasing starroute Nov 2014 #3

YOU are suggesting whatever dove-tails with your view. randome Nov 2014 #4

Evidence.... dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #11

Truth ... ucrdem Nov 2014 #27

The U.S. is happy where he is hack89 Nov 2014 #8

PoliceLeaks Octafish Nov 2014 #107

Alternate Headline: "Chomsky supports accused rapist". riqster Nov 2014 #6

And one by one we through the voices of Democracy under the bus. zeemike Nov 2014 #10

Not everyone who comments here is a friend of DU. n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2014 #13

And you are right. zeemike Nov 2014 #21

So calling an accused criminal an accused criminal makes one a non-friend of DU? riqster Nov 2014 #25

They can't handle the facts, riqster.. and you're sure a friend of Cha Nov 2014 #58

Yes, because democracy exists for men only BainsBane Nov 2014 #14

Well said. riqster Nov 2014 #19

Oh bullshit. zeemike Nov 2014 #20

You were in the room when the sex acts took place? riqster Nov 2014 #23

Well the facts are known zeemike Nov 2014 #24

So the Swedish justice system is pursuing the matter for what reason? riqster Nov 2014 #28

For the reason to put him in the hands of the Americans zeemike Nov 2014 #32

Uh-huh. Evidence supporting your thesis? riqster Nov 2014 #33

Chelsea Manning. zeemike Nov 2014 #37

Those are American judicial and legislative actions/atrocities. Not Swedish. riqster Nov 2014 #42

And it will be Assange's fate if he is extradited. zeemike Nov 2014 #44

I can't agree without some factual basis. Sweden plays it pretty straight as a rule. riqster Nov 2014 #45

It very silly to think he would have to go to Sweden 1st to get to the US.. EX500rider Nov 2014 #49

the UK can't touch him passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #206

Unlawful coercion, sexual molestation (two counts), and rape hack89 Nov 2014 #51

You don't know the facts of the case... SidDithers Nov 2014 #57

"emotion is used as a tool" to "divide us up" YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #79

And I understand you just fine. zeemike Nov 2014 #88

He is a rapist in the mind of the woman assaulted BainsBane Nov 2014 #118

And I can't understand when someone becomes so judgmental zeemike Nov 2014 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #60

Not what their allegations state.. Cha Nov 2014 #66

That is simply false, as this evidence shows BainsBane Nov 2014 #117

Thanks for clearing that up. nilesobek Nov 2014 #133

I only got my info from DN. I did not know the allegations were anything other than framed. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #141

Hold on. I wasn't calling for that. nilesobek Dec 2014 #171

Sneaky Assange blames his problems on the USA.. can't stand up and be responsible for his Cha Nov 2014 #65

Excellent post. YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #77

I would disagree with one thing that you wrote. Kali Nov 2014 #92

The 'major international security issues' are non-existent insofar as Assange is concerned. randome Nov 2014 #95

No attorney who wants to keep their license BainsBane Nov 2014 #119

That's a strong argument. nt el_bryanto Dec 2014 #179

For Chomsky, everyone else gets thrown under the bus if it means being able to attack the US stevenleser Dec 2014 #203

He needs to go through the process and be found guilty or not. riqster Nov 2014 #15

Well I hope you find yourself in that position some day. zeemike Nov 2014 #18

Oh, so Sweden is some sort of judicial hellhole? riqster Nov 2014 #22

No but they have the same corruption of government as we have. zeemike Nov 2014 #34

I share your mistrust as a general rule. But I have yet.to see examples in this case. riqster Nov 2014 #35

Well if you can't find it, it never happened. zeemike Nov 2014 #38

I woudn't go that far. But in such a case, I wouldn't assume it to be likely. riqster Nov 2014 #41

This is Sweden's Law on Rapists.. Cha Nov 2014 #67

Thank you. n/t YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #100

there is no universe where Assange OR Chomsky represent, in any way, Democracy. KittyWampus Nov 2014 #115

Hmmm, who to go with, Riqster or Chomsky? Not a tough choice. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #12

Actually, neither. The Swedish courts are the only true authority. riqster Nov 2014 #16

Lol, you haven't been keeping up with this sham 'case' have you? Still not even a charge filed sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #26

If and when the Swedish courts take such steps, his legal status will change. riqster Nov 2014 #31

Where are the CHARGES? Amazing to see 'liberals' condone the imprisonment of a news editor for sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #61

Just show me the imprisonment brooklynite Nov 2014 #62

He long ago was in Sweden asking to speak to the prosecutor and was told 'she was too busy'. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #104

I understand U.S. Intelligence put pressure on the Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #46

Sweden's PM was helped attain his position by KARL ROVE, an OLD FRIEND. He is known as 'Europe's sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #63

A lot of (parroted) conspiracy theories... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #82

What are the charges you are speaking of?? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #101

Forget it, (s)he's rolling... SidDithers Nov 2014 #108

OK, maybe she was a Western asset. nilesobek Nov 2014 #135

Last week a Swedish appeals court upheld Assange's arrest warrant hack89 Nov 2014 #53

Lol, of course they did. Just show us the CHARGES. There have never been any charges filed against sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #64

There are four charges specified in his arrest warrant hack89 Nov 2014 #69

It's been explained dozens of times, but some people just like to post zappaman Nov 2014 #70

I asked for CHARGES filed against him. What you gave me are years old allegations sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #102

So charges detailed in a legal arrest warrant are not really charges? hack89 Nov 2014 #110

He has not been charged with any crime. What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?? sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #146

An arrest warrant has to reference criminal charges hack89 Nov 2014 #148

This is pure unmitigated nonsense and the only reason I am wasting my time responding to it, is sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #172

Assange's lawyer testified under oath that the prosecutor wanted to interview him in Sweden hack89 Dec 2014 #173

Wrong, AGAIN. What is in black and white is the FACT that Assange was interviewed by the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #175

So you are denying an actual, black and white trial transcript? hack89 Dec 2014 #176

There are NO Criminal or any other kind of charges filed against Assange. Are you still trying to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2014 #183

Do you deny there is a valid arrest warrant for Assange? hack89 Dec 2014 #184

Still refusing to answer a simple question? Where are the charges you claimed existed? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #186

Those accusations just survived a legal challenge two weeks ago hack89 Dec 2014 #187

Lol, the Swedish Court has been saying that for YEARS now but still they will not PROVE IT. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #190

You need a trial to prove the charges. To have a trial you need a defendant hack89 Dec 2014 #192

Yes!! Exactly!! So, why has this Prosecutor REFUSED to file any charges?? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #194

Because the Swedish system is different from ours hack89 Dec 2014 #196

We know the differences. And we know the Prosecutor has LIED about needing to sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #197

Has Assange agree to surrender if arrested following an interview? hack89 Dec 2014 #198

Where are the charges? Why have no charges been filed? Why would someone sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #199

People are arrested and taken into custody prior to indictment every day in America. hack89 Dec 2014 #200

Lol, OUR legal system? What does OUR legal system have to do with this? Was that a slip sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #201

It will all be over in 2020 when the statute of limitations runs out. hack89 Dec 2014 #202

Your conspiracy buzzword filled rants are amusing. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #204

What conspiracy buzzwords are you talking about? I deal only in facts. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #205

I believe Assange's lawyer. Don't you? hack89 Dec 2014 #185

Where are the charges? A simple answer is all I am asking for. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #188

I understand why you don't want to talk about him fleeing Sweden to avoid arrest hack89 Dec 2014 #189

Charges, this is about charges that were never filed, about a case that never existed. So sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #193

So you are saying Assange's lawyer lied under oath? hack89 Dec 2014 #195

Chomsky is a traitor and should be executed!!1!! BeanMusical Nov 2014 #9

They had a good month. ucrdem Nov 2014 #17

Boy is it easy to distract Americans from what really matters... NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #29

Bravo to both. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #30

What I learned from this: rape is OK, provided you exposed US state secrets. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #39

Your loss. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #40

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #52

Supporting rapists is not a liberal position. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #54

+1...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #59

False accusations of rape are exceedingly rare YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #75

Assange admitted it. joshcryer Nov 2014 #81

Exactly... SidDithers Nov 2014 #147

Now the brits have spent 10m Pounds to arrest him for questioning in a supposed Swedish sex crime. pa28 Nov 2014 #43

Well, if it's a "supposed" sex crime, that makes all the difference... brooklynite Nov 2014 #50

When was last time a government spent 10m to extradite somebody for questioning in a sex case? pa28 Nov 2014 #55

I wasn't aware that criminal investigations came with a budget... brooklynite Nov 2014 #56

He's a fugitive under British law, subject to British penalties. Should they forget him? nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #73

People granted political asylum are by definition labeled as "fugitives". pa28 Nov 2014 #93

He's a bail jumper. Should people on bail in the UK be allowed to skip merely msanthrope Nov 2014 #94

Criminals can't just walk into an embassy for legal relief. pa28 Nov 2014 #96

You think politics doesn't trump logic and common sense? randome Nov 2014 #97

I do and I believe I pointed that out upthread. pa28 Nov 2014 #99

He wasn't granted an asylum recognized by any cogent legal authority. And, as a criminal msanthrope Nov 2014 #98

He is actually a fugitive from British justice hack89 Nov 2014 #71

+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #84

Assange asked for and received asylum from the government of Ecuador. pa28 Nov 2014 #89

Too bad diplomatic asylum is not recognized by international law hack89 Nov 2014 #90

Chomsky is awesome! He's also an example of why we need university tenure Wella Nov 2014 #47

... SidDithers Nov 2014 #48

I don't give a shite who hangs out with this asshole.. "Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul".. Cha Nov 2014 #68

I think ucrdem Nov 2014 #72

2 good men. I applaud them both! nt elias49 Nov 2014 #74

How is Assange remotely a "good man"? YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #76

Well there's Wikileaks...heard of it? nt elias49 Nov 2014 #78

Yes, and that doesn't negate the likelihood that he's a scumbag rapist YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #80

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #83

And now you show your true colors YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #85

What colors are you talking about? elias49 Nov 2014 #86

Can't trust those chicks- they'll fuck you over in a heartbeat hack89 Nov 2014 #87

7-0 Hide..... msanthrope Nov 2014 #91

Excellent hide....nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #109

Thank you. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #124

That's what the CIA said. Octafish Nov 2014 #105

Oh so the CIA said it, then it must be wrong YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #113

CIA and Cuba are cause for dismantling the Agency. Octafish Nov 2014 #116

Oh dear...you are sourcing Israel Shamir, aren't you?? nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #126

Better than CURVEBALL. Octafish Nov 2014 #127

+1 Luis Posada Carriles was a member of a very special group nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #129

Los Amigos Terroristas de Bush Octafish Nov 2014 #138

Daniel fucking Hopsicker!!.... SidDithers Nov 2014 #140

Isreal Shamir works for Wikileaks, and is a noted Holocaust denier. Any DUer who wishes to know msanthrope Nov 2014 #130

Wow. zappaman Nov 2014 #132

Just another smear from zappaman. Octafish Nov 2014 #139

Reply #142. zappaman Nov 2014 #150

Yup. All the articles posted from Paul Craig Roberts support your assertion... SidDithers Nov 2014 #142

Supporting holocaust deniers is disgusting. zappaman Nov 2014 #152

And now he's calling a banned anti-Semite a "great DUer"... SidDithers Nov 2014 #154

It does make one wonder, don't it? zappaman Nov 2014 #155

Yet, what he wrote about Assange's accusers is true. Octafish Nov 2014 #137

So you support a holocaust denier? zappaman Nov 2014 #151

A troll banned for being an anti-Semite is a "great DUer"?... SidDithers Nov 2014 #153

I'm kind of surprised sharp_stick Nov 2014 #156

You are citing a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that the Holocaust denier msanthrope Nov 2014 #158

That is not what I wrote. Octafish Nov 2014 #159

You are citing Israel Shamir. He is a noted Holocaust denier. One of the "great DUers" you msanthrope Nov 2014 #160

Not the only Holocaust denier he cites either. zappaman Nov 2014 #162

Lie down with dogs, don't be surprised when the fleas bite you in the ass. nt msanthrope Nov 2014 #163

... zappaman Nov 2014 #164

How am I supposed to know everyone banned and for what? Octafish Nov 2014 #165

Well....now that you know that Israel Shamir is a Holocaust denier and Wikileaks employee, and msanthrope Nov 2014 #167

You linked specifically to a troll banned for being an anti-Semite. zappaman Nov 2014 #161

Smear artist. Octafish Nov 2014 #166

No smears necessary to show you linked to an anti-Semitic banned troll. zappaman Nov 2014 #168

it's in their profile tammywammy Nov 2014 #169

Shhhhhh zappaman Nov 2014 #170

How do you know who has been banned for what? It's on their profile. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #174

Banned anti-semite trolls are now "great DUers". zappaman Dec 2014 #180

Assange...like Officer Wilson, need not answer for his crimes. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #181

Some of these responses downthread are hilarious...... marmar Nov 2014 #103

Sheer hypocrisy. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #106

They can be discussed without defending a rapist/predator YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #114

Don't forget "In no known universe can Chomsky or Assage represent in any Puglover Nov 2014 #121

That is the second greatest thread in DU history. n/t QC Nov 2014 #122

And NOONE needs to apologize for the Puglover Nov 2014 #123

Nope. No need to be an apologist, that's for sure. n/t QC Nov 2014 #125

How exciting! Assange appears on balcony! With Chomsky! Someone snaps a photo! struggle4progress Nov 2014 #111

LOL! zappaman Nov 2014 #112

Heheh... SidDithers Nov 2014 #120

I've been simultaneously bored and face palming reading this thread until now Number23 Nov 2014 #128

lol treestar Nov 2014 #143

You just redeemed this thread for me (nt) Recursion Dec 2014 #178

And, predictably, the smear/propaganda machine is on the job. woo me with science Nov 2014 #134

... SidDithers Nov 2014 #136

Julian has indeed save the world treestar Nov 2014 #144

Excellent post, thank you. As for the smear campaign, lol, same old names wherever you go. Same sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #145

It's telling that Assange refuses to face charges in Sweden YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #149

When you find yourself on the WRONG side of Assange and Chomsky... bvar22 Nov 2014 #157

They are on the wrong side of rape. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #177