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Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:09 PM

51. You seriously believe the 1-4 year claim you made?

Part of the reason they gained control in Iraq is due to Sunni tolerance(as well as Sunni fleeing). The Iraqi Prime Minister denied a role for Sunnis again and again in the new government--including issuing a warrant for the Vice President on terrorism charges who was the highest ranking Sunni official in government. Iraq security forces under the Shiite government stormed the residence of a Sunni member of Parliament, killing him which lead to protests where they were brutally oppressed. The view of an illegitimate government (that doesn't represent their interests) combined w/ a counter force to the Shiite militias lead to the tolerance among Sunnis.

Syria, no one liked living under Assad and the regional neighbors didn't like him either which tolerated the situation. The rebel forces came to the conclusion that they can't find Assad and ISIS at the same-time. They both agree Assad must go but the area ISIS does control is Sunni territory. They don't have much territorial east of Mosul (Kurd territorial) or much territorial south of Baghdad and Fallujah (if any) -- Shiite area.

What factors exist in Europe to even make it possible? A very unique set of circumstances enables them to the control of the territorial they do have which is marked by constant battles along the Tigris River & oil refineries such as Baji.

Shiites or the political leadership do have legitimate concerns of the Wahhabi cult sect of Sunni as well as living under a Sunni dominated Ba'th party. Sunni's have concerns about the Shiite militia which has received training & support from Iran military for years. The paranoia in government leads to same type of oppression you're trying to reform. Besides there's just a lot of bad blood. What is little reported is tit-for-tat kidnapping (ransom) has been going on for years during the Iraq war and is constantly going on in both countries. I don't include the propaganda kidnappings in that statement so I hope there is no confusion there.

The Obama administration does seem to have a good handle on what they're facing. The example that reminds of that is Kerry telling Iran it wasn't appropriate for them to join talks on ISIS strategy which is true considering a great deal of Iran paranoia contributed to the rise but the same reason that applies to Kerry also applies to US. Not really appropriate for us either, they need to be defeated politically and provide the support & aid for people suffering.

I have a prediction that 10-20 years from now we're going to be talking about a "3-state solution" for Iraq.

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