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108. More DLC legacy, I fear.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:07 AM
Mar 2015

If Republicans try to claim they are the party of religion, family values, patriotism (really jingoism), defense, etc., try to beat them at their own game (as they defined it).

So, the DLC encourage Democrats "not to hide" their faith. And, when asked why Kerry lost the Presidential, Clinton pointed out that Obama had begun his Senatorial campaign with his pastor at his side. (Yes, we know how that turned out, but this was right after the 2004 election.) And, after Kerry lost he reportedly said something like "I got the religious thing wrong, didn't I?"

Obviously, Democrats can go only so far with religion, without bumping into anti-abortion and homophobia. But, apparently, they can bring their disciplines along for mixing church and state, semi-deifying the military, being "strong on defense," etc.

Meanwhile, increasing sanity on the issues of choice and equal rights has been prevailing throughout the nation, among both rank and file Republicans and rank and file Democrats, esp. in the younger demographics, though the war is far from won yet.

I am going to be interested to see what happens when those cease to be the lines in the sand between the parties as a whole.

It would be easier to make an accusation of facisim if Holocaust and 20 million dead were not Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #1
it begs the question Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #3
It certainly does beg the question. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #19
+10000 All these absurd denials take the same form. woo me with science Feb 2015 #46
The Holocaust was a product of Nazism, hifiguy Feb 2015 #4
''Friendly Fascism'' is how Bertram Gross put it in 1980 Octafish Feb 2015 #17
I've had this book "Friendly Fascism" for years but never read it yet. m-lekktor Feb 2015 #40
I had a paperback from mid-80s...and an original edition hard cover... Octafish Mar 2015 #79
i have probably owned the paperback since mid 90's. I think i assumed it was outdated and never m-lekktor Mar 2015 #83
Keep them in your heart, like in ''Fahrenheit 451.'' Octafish Mar 2015 #91
While we may not be killing people... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #21
We don't have to kill people on an industrial scale for facism to be bad. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #36
I agree with everything you said. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #37
Nor are they necessary for inflicting death and misery on a large scale Scootaloo Feb 2015 #51
I think most that live in the US would like to evolve a little nolabels Mar 2015 #115
i am about a third of the way through Rick Perlstein's remarkable hifiguy Feb 2015 #2
Thank you for suggesting that. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #12
just put a hold on it at my local library mikeysnot Feb 2015 #24
Piketty is going on my request list next. hifiguy Feb 2015 #27
Will pick up those Perlstein books... ReRe Feb 2015 #35
Maybe Ike was not kidding, but he what did he do during his years as a merrily Mar 2015 #107
Must read malaise Feb 2015 #5
Most definitely. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #15
Excellent article. We must face the truth that our excessive militarism is destructive dissentient Feb 2015 #6
It's good for the economy. Explaining why permawar is good, Tyler Cowen: Octafish Mar 2015 #80
They are still trying to put the lipstick on the pig by calling it "Patriotism", "Free Market", Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #7
This was all explained by a master of the technique hifiguy Feb 2015 #8
Sadly, flag waving and calls for "loyalty" still work. Even here on DU. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #9
More DLC legacy, I fear. merrily Mar 2015 #108
Do you think the Goering... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #23
Were there an afterlife. Herr Doktor Goebbels would be hifiguy Feb 2015 #30
Yep. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #32
FOX News' Roger Ailes is a Big Fan of Leni Riefenstahl, Hitler's favorite NAZI filmmaker. Octafish Feb 2015 #42
Riefenstahl was a brilliant director. hifiguy Feb 2015 #52
+10 Lately I've been re-studying WWII, Nazism & looking at the SS patches & insignia that Dad appalachiablue Feb 2015 #31
I re-read 1984 around 2006 awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #33
"Naturally the common people don't want war" Mnpaul Feb 2015 #39
Thank you, Mnpaul! Octafish Feb 2015 #43
Were you surprised by highway signs in English? Mnpaul Feb 2015 #44
The young girl who said, 'I love you, American.' Octafish Feb 2015 #45
Steves is the most popular travel writer and travel log videographer in the US and he is great. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #67
That is a great video. CanSocDem Mar 2015 #72
I don't know about required viewing but i really liked this one nolabels Mar 2015 #116
Technical Note: Goering made these comments to (IIRC) a psychologist while KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #59
While I'm not sure as to whom or when the comments were made... Goering WAS tried and convicted AzDar Mar 2015 #106
Ah, shit, you are 1000% correct and I was mistaken. Goering did indeed face KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #109
K&R Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #10
An Unidentified Hero who fought Fascism in Spain Octafish Mar 2015 #81
John Pilger is a treasure ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #11
PRISM and the Rise of a New Fascism (John Pilger) Octafish Feb 2015 #34
A mixture of fact and fiction. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #13
What is it you don't believe? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2015 #16
Well, if you must ask.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #18
Baloney, There is more extremist influence in the new government than ever. newthinking Feb 2015 #38
If your argument is that the Lyashko Radical Party essentially switched places with Svoboda... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #53
His statement about how the greater number of Russian deaths in JDPriestly Feb 2015 #26
Stalin was a psychopath and didn't care about the well-being of his troops. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #28
That was the view of my father after the war. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #29
Not to disagree per se (not having read the book you reference), why didn't the U.S. and U.K. KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #61
+100. I'd guess because they wanted Russia to lose, or at least be weakened. Either way, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #76
I did not seek to pick a fight (npi) with that poster, but the USSR defeated the KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #78
There really is not doubt about the 'elements' of Fascism, now in the Government of Kiev, or in. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #50
I think our fascism is fueled by the dominionists in the New Apostolic Reformation/NAR Sir. bobthedrummer Feb 2015 #14
& the ones in the government. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #77
The Dominionists believe it is their BIRTHRIGHT to rule over planet Earth. Octafish Mar 2015 #90
it's been a long time since it wasn't the issue imo stupidicus Feb 2015 #20
Korea...Vietnam...Brazil...Nicaragua...Panama...Iraq...Iraq...Afghanistan...Iraq... Octafish Mar 2015 #92
Rising fascism is relevant to Claire Conner, child of early John Birch Society leadership member appalachiablue Feb 2015 #22
Know your Tea Party Roots: Koch Fortune came courtesy of Josef Stalin and USSR Octafish Mar 2015 #93
Thanks for the excellent Pilger article and deep comments that generate further exploration. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #25
Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection Octafish Mar 2015 #110
K&R Time to start calling things, and politicians, what they are. woo me with science Feb 2015 #41
Most excellent post and thread following. JEB Feb 2015 #47
Just stumbled across this JEB Feb 2015 #48
Thank you for the heads-up, JEB! Margolis is TOPS! Octafish Mar 2015 #86
Inconvenient facts are never welcome, which doesn't make them NOT facts. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #49
I always found Norman Mailer's analysis of the 'real' reasons we invaded and occupied KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #62
I'll have to look for that JonLP24 Mar 2015 #96
I would have read this piece by Mailer quite some time ago (at least one KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #98
I knew the Bush lies were BS JonLP24 Mar 2015 #99
Orwell says Pilger is wrong Yorktown Mar 2015 #54
Hope your military runs out of people to kill frankfacts Mar 2015 #57
Ah, but Orwell would also I think agree with Lenin's observation: KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #63
And Trostky was, as usual, wrong Yorktown Mar 2015 #64
"Trotsky was a Red fascist" - you heard it here first, folks! - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #65
Is this Democratic Underground, or Communist Underground? Yorktown Mar 2015 #66
I actually disagree with the thesis of the author Pilger referenced in the OP and agree KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #68
Well, I do hope Democrats are not Reds.. Yorktown Mar 2015 #69
Orwell never knew Pilger. What do you think he'd say about ''Money trumps peace''? Octafish Mar 2015 #84
Orwell/Pilger: duh, no kidding. As for GW, he was the pits. Yorktown Mar 2015 #100
I'm so glad you understand. As for Bush, he lied America into a war of aggression. That's NAZI. Octafish Mar 2015 #111
He also said: ND-Dem Mar 2015 #88
None of your quotes is far left Yorktown Mar 2015 #101
libertarian my ass. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #102
Correct me if I am wrong, but your quotes are post Spain Yorktown Mar 2015 #103
Tories are the british conservative party. anarchist has nothing to do with "not conservative". ND-Dem Mar 2015 #105
K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #55
We live under a military dictatorship and it's planetary in its scope n/t frankfacts Mar 2015 #56
That explains the warmongers and banksters walking free. Octafish Mar 2015 #112
Pilger's ultimate point is undone by his own hypocrisy and willingness to engage in propoganda. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #58
Bingo. nt. Yorktown Mar 2015 #70
WTH is a radical right wing populist? JonLP24 Mar 2015 #97
The tea party is branded as right wing populism. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2015 #114
You can find opinion polls before & since JonLP24 Mar 2015 #117
Obviously no invasion. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #113
Jeb Bush MinM Mar 2015 #60
How the elite talk in code: ''That way there will be no chance for misunderstanding.'' Octafish Mar 2015 #95
Important quote... JEB Mar 2015 #71
'International law,' like the Geneva Conventions, is so quaint and obsolete. We're on a KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #73
Letting our own war criminals slide JEB Mar 2015 #82
"the cult of superiority" = +100 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #74
I was curious about that cartoon. It says: 6 million Nazi voters : fodder for a big mouth, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #75
John Heartfield (born: Helmut Herzfeld) Octafish Mar 2015 #85
kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2015 #87
K&R Cleita Mar 2015 #89
kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #94
Fascism = merging of corporate wealth and state power Initech Mar 2015 #104
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