We are Democrats - All of Us

[DanTex]

176. I agree. Further reason why the anti-Hillary stuff is so dumb.

Then we would have won 2014, 2010, 2004, 2000, and so on. We lost. Because we lost, we didn't get to implement better policy.

We've won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections, with candidates that were about the same as Hillary on the spectrum. Bush wouldn't have "won" 2000 if Nader hadn't siphoned away votes. The first two you list are mid-terms, with completely different turnout characteristics -- sitting presidents almost always lose seats in midterm elections. And by 2012, the left had already given up on Obama, but he still won.

More importantly, where's the evidence that someone as liberal as Warren can actually win at the national level or in swing states? There isn't any. Has anyone as liberal as Warren won a state-wide election in any swing state (Florida, Ohio, Virginia, etc.) in say, the last 20 years? Even once?

No, actually that's the tactic we just ran on. And we keep running on. And the tactic currently coming from all of Clinton's supporters, and she isn't doing anything to change that.

No it's not. That's just your interpretation. The actual campaigns, all of them, are based on the theme "we are good and they are bad". You may disagree with the "we are good" part, but candidates don't go around talking about how bad they are.

Sander's role is to drag the party to the left in the primary. He will not win the primary, but he can affect the debate during the primary.

OK, good, so at least we agree that nominating Sanders would be a mistake. I wonder why you don't aim any vitriol at people who would actually like to see that happen.

Again, there is not a vast middle anymore. The Republicans wandered off too far into insanity, opening up a large chasm where the middle used to be. Appealing to that chasm does not win elections because there is nobody there.

What do you base this on? Polls (of course not, because they all show Hillary leading)? Reading DU? There are plenty of undecided voters, who could go for either a Democrat or a Republican. Especially in states like Ohio and Florida and Virginia and Colorado, etc. Winning those voters is a big part of winning national elections.

What you don't realize is that Hillary Clinton's politics are only considered "Republican" to about 5% of the electorate. Centrist and center-left voters don't consider her "Republican" at all. They consider her center-left, which she is.