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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)153. He said he would not run as an independent and be a spoiler like Nader. Don't worry, if he wins,
he will get the vote of Democrats.
Those who will NOT vote are voting for a RW GOP POTUS:
If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Wont Be as an Independent: I will not be a spoiler
Naturally, Will you run for president in 2016? was the first question DFA Executive Director Charles Chamberlain asked Sanders. Though not definitive, his answer was enough to leave these activists hopeful.
I am giving very serious consideration to it, but before you make a decision of that magnitude you have to make sure that you can do it well, Sanders said. So what we are doing is reaching out to folks all over this country trying to determine whether or not we can put the grassroots organization together that we need.
Sanders knows he will have to rely on grassroots mobilization to have a fighting chance at being elected, because his campaign will take on every monied interest. If I run, well be taking on the billionaire class, he said. Thats Wall Street, the drug companies, the military industrial complex.
To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler, Sanders said. I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president
to pampango:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top
If he does not win the nomination, he will have taught many in his race and concede with grace. He campaigned against the GOP in 2014, and the alternative to their ruling was clearly by Democrats. He'll support the nominee of the Democratic Party, that I am sure. Obama said essentially, that a vote for Bernie would be like voting for a third term for him.
This primary is finally going to be interesting for all of us. I predict it will make the rightwing media rave and our side will learn a lot, along with the rest of the nation, to get the job done.
I am interested in all Democratic candidates who have shown a serious interest in becoming POTUS and at his point there is only Hillary and Bernie. He has more media coverage than hers, and is more direct. I see where she is coming from... I can grasp where he is coming from better.
I will be glad with both, they each have lessons for Americans to learn to resist aristocracy and inequality. If Sanders holds firm to equality, particularly of half the population of this planet, which would be the true solution to economic issues, I can see HRC supporters getting behind his candidacy if he wins. And HRC herself will. It's really not about the persons who only have a brief time on the world stage, it's about the ideals and lives beyond the one and it's why I'm PROUD to be a DEMOCRAT.
And likewise, if HRC wins, those who care will vote Democratic. We need at least a generation of forward minded people, not those who have fallen for the Bircher line sold by the Koches, to even BEGIN to undo the damage and the horrors that we have seen.
I'm hoping that the real truth teller (not the CT commerical versions of the truth bringing about a Libertarian nightmare) the man in Baltimore who described the reason for the misery and violence in this country, will offer support to Bernie's candidacy, or influence his friends of means, and the fan base of the various cities, to help:
Orioles COO John Angelos offers eye-opening perspective on Baltimore protests
"My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one nights property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every Americans civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state."
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orioles-john-angelos-baltimore-protests-mlb
to chalmers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026574923
This is the unifying cry of the American vision. As FDR said:
A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest - at the command - of his head. We build a way of life, not for America alone, but for all mankind.
That kind of 'exceptionalism,' I can get behind. Millions who came here since then came because of that vision. It is a 'work in progress.' And the war that has been declared upon the African American population for centuries will end under principled hands by Democrats. JMHO.
Those who will NOT vote are voting for a RW GOP POTUS:
If Bernie Sanders Runs For President, It Wont Be as an Independent: I will not be a spoiler
Naturally, Will you run for president in 2016? was the first question DFA Executive Director Charles Chamberlain asked Sanders. Though not definitive, his answer was enough to leave these activists hopeful.
I am giving very serious consideration to it, but before you make a decision of that magnitude you have to make sure that you can do it well, Sanders said. So what we are doing is reaching out to folks all over this country trying to determine whether or not we can put the grassroots organization together that we need.
Sanders knows he will have to rely on grassroots mobilization to have a fighting chance at being elected, because his campaign will take on every monied interest. If I run, well be taking on the billionaire class, he said. Thats Wall Street, the drug companies, the military industrial complex.
To the dismay some idealists, Sanders rejected the idea of running for president as an independent. No matter what I do, I will not be a spoiler, Sanders said. I will not play that role in helping to elect some right-wing Republican as President of the United States.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president
to pampango:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6140372#top
If he does not win the nomination, he will have taught many in his race and concede with grace. He campaigned against the GOP in 2014, and the alternative to their ruling was clearly by Democrats. He'll support the nominee of the Democratic Party, that I am sure. Obama said essentially, that a vote for Bernie would be like voting for a third term for him.
This primary is finally going to be interesting for all of us. I predict it will make the rightwing media rave and our side will learn a lot, along with the rest of the nation, to get the job done.
I am interested in all Democratic candidates who have shown a serious interest in becoming POTUS and at his point there is only Hillary and Bernie. He has more media coverage than hers, and is more direct. I see where she is coming from... I can grasp where he is coming from better.
I will be glad with both, they each have lessons for Americans to learn to resist aristocracy and inequality. If Sanders holds firm to equality, particularly of half the population of this planet, which would be the true solution to economic issues, I can see HRC supporters getting behind his candidacy if he wins. And HRC herself will. It's really not about the persons who only have a brief time on the world stage, it's about the ideals and lives beyond the one and it's why I'm PROUD to be a DEMOCRAT.
And likewise, if HRC wins, those who care will vote Democratic. We need at least a generation of forward minded people, not those who have fallen for the Bircher line sold by the Koches, to even BEGIN to undo the damage and the horrors that we have seen.
I'm hoping that the real truth teller (not the CT commerical versions of the truth bringing about a Libertarian nightmare) the man in Baltimore who described the reason for the misery and violence in this country, will offer support to Bernie's candidacy, or influence his friends of means, and the fan base of the various cities, to help:
Orioles COO John Angelos offers eye-opening perspective on Baltimore protests
"My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one nights property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every Americans civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state."
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/04/orioles-john-angelos-baltimore-protests-mlb
to chalmers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026574923
This is the unifying cry of the American vision. As FDR said:
A liberal is a man who uses his legs and his hands at the behest - at the command - of his head. We build a way of life, not for America alone, but for all mankind.
That kind of 'exceptionalism,' I can get behind. Millions who came here since then came because of that vision. It is a 'work in progress.' And the war that has been declared upon the African American population for centuries will end under principled hands by Democrats. JMHO.
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Truly the best handling media. They call him socialist for trying to protect Medicare and Soc. Sec.
TheNutcracker
Apr 2015
#306
I'm for Hillary (as our only current candidate) until I have another choice. I...
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2015
#20
Ignore it, is intended to depress enthusiasm, and it's not true. He will win if we vote for him,
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#31
I'll be happy if his points are heard and he is treated with the respect he has EARNED
BrotherIvan
Apr 2015
#34
I agree, start telling people about him. If everyone who currently supports him can get at least ten
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#57
Lol, the smear machine is already working overtime, no doubt. The talking points will start to
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#217
Bernie, as the only true progressive about to announce getting in the race, will have my vote until a better choice announces his/her intention to run.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#225
Hillary is also a true progressive, Bernie agrees with Hillary on almost of the Issues
lewebley3
Apr 2015
#299
It's one thing to talk the talk, like Hillary; it's another to walk the walk, like Bernie.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#317
What he stands for is what the American people need to hear. And, if...
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2015
#35
The Independent Vote is now the biggest voting demographic in the country, it is over 40%.
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#45
That's a good question. I think what will resonate with Independents, left leaning and moderates
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#67
You are right. There are still some Liberal Republicans, called Moderates now I believe. I know a
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#227
I recall him saying he wasn't going to run unless he thought he could win.
Voice for Peace
Apr 2015
#93
and I will STILL support the Democrat...not the Independent running....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#105
I don't have to...I have multiple websites that follow these odds to to tell me so...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#147
I don't, especially with that one. Beating one's head against a brick wall is a much more productive
smokey nj
Apr 2015
#179
Your denial is painful to watch. Stay tuned. You will finally understand on Thursday.
morningfog
Apr 2015
#177
Well they say the truth hurts so I am not surprised you are hurting...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#178
If you serisously think Sen. Sanders could even run for the Democratic nomination,
morningfog
Apr 2015
#182
No he has NOT said that....he said he is running in the Democratic Primary....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#199
He said he would not run as an independent and be a spoiler like Nader. Don't worry, if he wins,
freshwest
Apr 2015
#153
difference is....Nader ran as an independent Independent....not an Independent Democrat...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#183
My browser shows a big blank. All I've heard about with names outside their own areas, are H and B.
freshwest
Apr 2015
#209
Bernie literally has had more media coverage in the last year, face to face, than HRC. I do believe
freshwest
Apr 2015
#215
oh yea. good to hear. i expected it. glad he got in now. work to be done. i am on board. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#21
I hope it's true, and if it is, I will be willing to work for him as hard as possible.
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#30
Word has it that he'll be running as a Democrat. And I agree with you...
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2015
#41
You are confusing wishful thinking with political analysis. Sanders strengthens Hillary. His attacks
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#278
That word isn't as scary as it used to be, especially to young people. Also, unlike the rest of
smokey nj
Apr 2015
#160
Every report states that he's running as a Democrat. Bernie himself has stated he
smokey nj
Apr 2015
#164
Yes, Obama alluded to that in the WH Press Dinner. I don't think he was mocking Bernie, he means it.
freshwest
Apr 2015
#242
Running in our primaries is the same thing as declaring yourself to be a Dem.
Ken Burch
Apr 2015
#251
Finally someone I can fully support in the Democratic primary! He has my primary vote.
Kip Humphrey
Apr 2015
#79
In a real utopia he would be the conservative candidate but I'm happy to support him here.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#135
It won't. Bernie will be a blessing to informed discussion. That never helps the GOP /nt
think
Apr 2015
#109
Bernie was attacking the GOP when Hillary was supporting Goldwater and interning for Republicans
LittleBlue
Apr 2015
#224
Republicans won't vote for Clinton...but they will vote for Senator Sanders
TheProgressive
Apr 2015
#101
Well, Senator Sanders would be the candidate that acts and votes like a real democrat
TheProgressive
Apr 2015
#125
In my view, HRC is the Third Party Spoiler. (As in Third Way, NOT a Real Democrat)
2banon
Apr 2015
#288
It won't just be 'the liberal wing of the party' who support him, but all fair minded folks. n/t
freshwest
Apr 2015
#157
A lot of people have never heard of him. They need to learn about him and be told.
glinda
Apr 2015
#158
Someone I can vote for and smile, not vote against the other guy and hold my nose
Suji to Seoul
Apr 2015
#234
What I love about this is that Bernie is doing it with the best intentions...
TekGryphon
Apr 2015
#257
Hillary is the left wing of the Party: Bernie agrees with Hillary on most of the issues
lewebley3
Apr 2015
#303
And suddenly, people start to learn they have a real alternative to the oligarchy (nt)
Babel_17
Apr 2015
#307
Jon Stewart was so dismissive of Bernie's candidacy on the Daily Show last nite.
YOHABLO
May 2015
#327