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BrotherIvan

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21. Bernie can win

Thu Apr 30, 2015, 11:08 PM

Apr 2015

He said himself, he's not running to pull Clinton to the left, he's running to win. The myth that he can't win because he's not drowing in corporate ca$h or because he's not center-right enough is pure propaganda with the underlying message that only billionaires and career politicians know enough to select a candidate for you silly Prole. And this talking-point is being parroted on a "Democratic" forum. Don't buy into it.

If we want to keep the price of the Presidency (and every other office) one vote per person, not the going rate (estimated to be two billion dollars this go around), then WE have to find a way to make it happen. I am sick and tired of being told that centrism and and center-right are the ONLY way while children starve and people fall deeper into despair. It is a sparkly illusion and Bernie's run is the red pill.

Bernie can win. If he wins the primary, he wins the general.

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"I know Bernie can't win, but..." [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

I don't think Sanders will win and I don't think Hillary is scared. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1

I don't think Hillary can win. Bonobo Apr 2015 #6

You can vote however you like for whatever reason. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #8

Awwww. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #11

I like Sanders but I just don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #13

I don't think Hillary can win. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #18

Well we will find out. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #22

Or maybe not shaayecanaan May 2015 #83

Anything is possible but I think she will win this time. hrmjustin May 2015 #84

You remind me of the guy who lost big bucks betting on a re-run of a football game. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #238

You have a pleasant weekend. hrmjustin May 2015 #239

You too, Justin. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #242

She was rejected in favor of the first serious black Presidential candidate. staggerleem May 2015 #204

So we are calling Sen Sanders a "cranky old white guy"? Really? Already? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #244

We found out awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #98

And Reagan lost the Republican nomination in 1976... brooklynite May 2015 #142

But Reagan's political philosophy was ascendant at the time. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #150

I don't think Hillary can win either. I think Bernie will get the all important Independent vote sabrina 1 May 2015 #74

I would like to believe that, but most Independents are Republicans too ashamed to admit it. Hoyt May 2015 #88

Where did you get that 'most Independents are Republicans? Since 2008 eg, Democrats have lost sabrina 1 May 2015 #91

We are unlikely to get the opportunity to find out, but I doubt Independents are going to Hoyt May 2015 #122

This unaffiliated voter will "swing for Sanders." A Simple Game May 2015 #195

Gallop disagrees with you. Independent registration is now at the highest it has ever been sabrina 1 May 2015 #207

I thought that a large chunk of people here were really "Independent" voters Mnpaul May 2015 #267

You sound pretty sure of that. bvf May 2015 #100

Anything posted without a link is an opinion. But you can look it Hoyt May 2015 #120

I'm not aware of any polls bvf May 2015 #123

Just know a lot of" Independents" who are not going to vote for Sanders, Hoyt May 2015 #124

I'll vote for the nominee, regardless. bvf May 2015 #127

I think he'll make debates more interesting. Truthfully, I would love to see us like Scandanavian Hoyt May 2015 #128

I am an Independent bullsnarfle May 2015 #156

Except the "all important Independent vote" isn't that important... brooklynite May 2015 #148

Independents are registering Democrat to support Sen Sanders. rhett o rick May 2015 #245

"Most states don't allow non-Democrats to vote." Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #264

Bernie will NOT run as a 3rd party candidate! staggerleem May 2015 #208

I didn't say that. I said he will get the Independent vote, as Obama did in 2008. sabrina 1 May 2015 #211

Actually she can and will if nominated as long as we get 5% more votes than the thieves NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #201

I'm voting for Bernie - I can't trust Clinton... eloydude Apr 2015 #19

If she wins the nomination will you vote for Clinton? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Apr 2015 #24

Yes.. but with 1% euthanism eloydude Apr 2015 #25

ok. well I disagree with you her support is soft. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #26

Wait till the first Democratic debates start.. eloydude Apr 2015 #32

He won't change my mind. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #33

And why not? eloydude Apr 2015 #36

I will support him if he wins the nomination. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #38

I don't think she is... eloydude Apr 2015 #41

My mind is made up. Enjoy DU. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #42

Before the first debate, bvar22 May 2015 #222

Yes. hrmjustin May 2015 #225

"Think about who you really want in your heart." brooklynite May 2015 #149

Let me help you with this. A Simple Game May 2015 #200

Prove it... brooklynite May 2015 #205

Just for a quick and easy answer see the last election. A Simple Game May 2015 #214

Colorado voters voted down a personhood amendment... brooklynite May 2015 #220

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #270

Many on DU are always looking back and wonder why things never get any better. A Simple Game May 2015 #297

Who cares about the debates anyway? Helen Borg May 2015 #252

What a bizarre response. And perplexing. You mean to say that you are so entrenched... Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #43

No I doubt it at all. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #44

I respect that. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #54

Thank you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #55

Good for you, it's not everyone that could reach that level of commitment A Simple Game May 2015 #202

We know who might run and my support is locked in. hrmjustin May 2015 #203

Justin and his ilk think Hillary DESERVES to win.... AlbertCat May 2015 #94

Blinders. Typical of many around these parts. n/t. bvf May 2015 #101

Almost as antithetical as telling people to shutup and get on board. NuclearDem May 2015 #146

Almost as antithetical as telling people to shutup and get on board. AlbertCat May 2015 #160

Exactly. I was an Edwards supporter in 2008. eloydude May 2015 #147

I don't think you know what you are talking about. hrmjustin May 2015 #168

Perhaps before make assumptions about me you should ask. AlbertCat May 2015 #173

The Hrc room is for supporters only. hrmjustin May 2015 #176

The Hrc room is for supporters only. AlbertCat May 2015 #190

The other host banned you because you mocked us. hrmjustin May 2015 #191

I didn't ban you either, but I tell you what OKNancy May 2015 #219

Thank you Nancy! hrmjustin May 2015 #221

I would expect I would be removed from the group. I should be. AlbertCat May 2015 #273

I will awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #99

Keep in mind in '08 the media claimed it would be Hillary vs Rudy. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #56

Hillary was running against Obama that time, not Bernie Sanders. nt rep the dems May 2015 #61

The point is inaccurate media prognostication. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #78

It's a bit of an oversimplification rep the dems May 2015 #93

The media had those two as the favorites from very early on.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #103

I remember it well. The media was pathetic then too. Enthusiast May 2015 #137

"Favorites" doesn't mean the same thing as "definites." rep the dems May 2015 #188

In the last election every Republican had a turn at being the favorite.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #209

I don't believe she will either. Pauldg47 May 2015 #60

Of course not BainsBane May 2015 #112

That's not it (besides, there are more women voters!) Bonobo May 2015 #114

Hillary's chances of winning are about as good as John Kerry PatrynXX May 2015 #228

Bernie has a 110% chance of winning ucrdem Apr 2015 #48

Indeed. A great man but I just can't support him. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #49

Why? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #50

I don't think he can win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #51

Do you like McDonalds? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #57

No. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #58

Oh good, so you aren't into following the crowd. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #72

No I don't go with the crowd. hrmjustin May 2015 #76

I was a proud Kucinich supporter in '08. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #79

Good man. hrmjustin May 2015 #81

Saying you wont vote for a candidate because you dont think he can win seltzerwater May 2015 #66

I think electability is important. hrmjustin May 2015 #67

Your analogy fails... brooklynite May 2015 #151

But you the media is what has you feeling "certain" about certain candidates and issues... cascadiance May 2015 #167

Really? You advocate not voting for the best candidate in the primaries? A Simple Game May 2015 #210

Was Walter Mondale the best candidate to beat Reagan in 1984? brooklynite May 2015 #212

The majority of Democrats thought so and at that time that included me. What proof do you have that A Simple Game May 2015 #217

FWIW, Mondale was the FOURTH candidate I supported in 1984. brooklynite May 2015 #218

The problem is if they can't even get a majority of Democrats to vote for them A Simple Game May 2015 #232

is like not applying to college because you don't think you'll get in. AlbertCat May 2015 #275

Which of Bernies positions do you dislike or disagree? nt riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #52

Can't think of any offhand. love the guy butbhe is not my candidate. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #53

What a weird position to take. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #96

I think you'll find that people are desperate for an honest politician. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #246

Like the guy who is shocked to find secrecy going on in treaty negotiations? ucrdem May 2015 #257

If you are trying to make some type of statement, please spite it out. rhett o rick May 2015 #258

If 2016 is the year America is hitting a tipping point just as Franklin Roosevelt hit a tipping geretogo May 2015 #230

ok, but I don't think he will win. hrmjustin May 2015 #231

Whenever there is a Democrat acting like a Republican the Republican will win INdemo May 2015 #233

Well we disagree. hrmjustin May 2015 #234

I am a liberal Democrat and I just cant agree with some INdemo May 2015 #259

What has she got to offer the 99% that Sen Sanders can't offer? Now ask me what rhett o rick May 2015 #241

Well I glad you have your candidate. hrmjustin May 2015 #243

"we have America's Third Way/DLC doyenne scrambling" TerrapinFlyer Apr 2015 #2

The third way boogeyman is going to get you! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3

It already has, but things can get worse. merrily May 2015 #62

It's like stating that Ted Cruz can't win Dem2 Apr 2015 #4

Cruz can't win...Carson can't win...Fiorina can't win...Huckabee can't win...Santorum can't win... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #145

So, in summary, "shut the fuck up and get on board." NuclearDem Apr 2015 #5

Is she not? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #12

I guess it's considered impolite to say it out loud. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #15

Maybe we can let the primary be about issues. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #17

+10000000 MaggieD May 2015 #106

Can we fight for it without taking jabs at other candidates? cyberswede Apr 2015 #7

For some it's not about any message Andy823 Apr 2015 #9

It's even possible BainsBane May 2015 #125

It happened with some senator from Illinois. d_legendary1 May 2015 #229

Oh, god! Are we in for the "I don't feel no ways tired" faux southern accent again? Divernan May 2015 #269

For some the entire point is to attack other candidates. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #59

Not after a month of other candidate's supporters jeff47 May 2015 #193

. . . but does Bernie think he can win? Does Bernie WANT to win? ucrdem Apr 2015 #10

It's all a BIG mystery! Just WTF is Bernie Sanders doing? Is he to be trusted?!?! stillwaiting May 2015 #144

We are constantly lectured to believe that liberal candidates can't win votes. woo me with science Apr 2015 #14

^^^^^^^That right there^^^^^^^^^^ BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #34

There's no Clinton dynasty, come on man StarzGuy Apr 2015 #45

+1000 GoneFishin Apr 2015 #46

+1, yep-- if liberal policy is such a loser, why pretend to be liberals during the campaigns? /nt Marr May 2015 #165

++++10000000 whereisjustice May 2015 #295

Actually, Hillary announced first, so... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #16

Bernie is saying how he has been living is life. Hillary is not. merrily May 2015 #64

Actually, "Clintoncare" wasn't the Heritage plan. jeff47 May 2015 #194

Heritage Care (individual mandate) was created in response to Nixon's employer mandate plan. merrily May 2015 #197

Probably depends on which one - there was a response to "Billarycare" that came out after it. jeff47 May 2015 #199

LOL - stop, you'll give the purists a stroke! MaggieD May 2015 #107

the combined brainpower of every 3rd wayer PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #20

On Thu Apr 30, 2015, 09:26 PM an alert was sent on the following post: zeemike May 2015 #65

Looks like the alerter just admitted that 3rd wayers are PowerToThePeople May 2015 #75

Bernie can win BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #21

He will appeal to the people who don't have a lot Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #27

He can't win primaries if he can't get on the ballot. nt ucrdem Apr 2015 #28

Are you saying that the party honchos will do what they can to keep him off ballots to help Hillary? DJ13 May 2015 #80

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #89

that far and father Bugenhagen May 2015 #90

If he doesn't take that (I) off his name.... MaggieD May 2015 #108

And they object to the word 'authoritarian', lol. /nt Marr May 2015 #171

I hope so BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #37

"he's running to win" Phlem Apr 2015 #30

Even his announcement was so informal BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #35

Explain how...nobody else will brooklynite May 2015 #152

He's going to run like a liberal, just like Barack Obama did BrotherIvan May 2015 #163

Barack Obama may have run like a liberal... brooklynite May 2015 #172

I know, he's not a "serious" candidate because he doesn't have a war chest BrotherIvan May 2015 #178

A sad commentary perhaps... brooklynite May 2015 #183

Ok, but I really, truly hope you're wrong BrotherIvan May 2015 #186

I'm voting for Hillary. I have stock in McDonnel-Douglas and Exxon. Hoppy Apr 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #31

There is nothing wrong with stating what one believes is the likely outcome. phleshdef Apr 2015 #39

Oh good another one... one_voice Apr 2015 #40

I will most likely vote for Sanders in the primary however, StarzGuy Apr 2015 #47

I'm curious to see what kind of bump he has in the polls, KMOD May 2015 #63

It's been clear to me that every person who claims to support Bernie doesn't. merrily May 2015 #68

I support Bernie but "Hillary is probably going to win" is not a negative comment about Bernie. phleshdef May 2015 #102

Saying Hillary is going to win is also saying Bernie is going to lose and that is negative. merrily May 2015 #104

Its not about reinforcement though. I'm just stating what I objectively think is likely. phleshdef May 2015 #109

You ignored everything I said, except to deny it's negative, which it clearly is, in merrily May 2015 #111

I'm not important enough to have any significant impact on others. phleshdef May 2015 #113

Rude and wrong. merrily May 2015 #115

Then why are you still using that Warren sig line? BainsBane May 2015 #69

he can't. most of the small percentage of eligible voters who actually vote are too vapid and dionysus May 2015 #70

He CAN Win McKim May 2015 #71

He CAN Win McKim May 2015 #73

Why do we need to "give Hillary the scare of her life"? brooklynite May 2015 #153

As far as I can tell, everyone on DU likes Senator Sanders. A lot. MineralMan May 2015 #235

Hey Manny - if Sanders wins the general I will personally.... MaggieD May 2015 #77

Manny has about as much respect for Bernie as Cruz does. TekGryphon May 2015 #82

+1000000000 MaggieD May 2015 #105

Yep BainsBane May 2015 #110

More manipulative Third Way talking points, woo me with science May 2015 #119

Amazingly BainsBane May 2015 #121

^^This^^ Bobbie Jo May 2015 #129

^^^^^A textbook example of the manipulation I describe in my post.^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #132

I am not a propaganda machine BainsBane May 2015 #166

woo woo stonecutter357 May 2015 #236

"Voters don't respond well to being insulted and treated with contempt" Dem2 May 2015 #161

I couldn't agree more BainsBane May 2015 #169

That... is comedy. Marr May 2015 #180

Yeah, it sucks BainsBane May 2015 #272

+1 Marr May 2015 #174

Is there an organization named the Third Way? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #138

Did Bernie Sanders just give a speech on what he doesn't want this election to be about? TekGryphon May 2015 #154

Does this mean you'd prefer not to answer my question? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #159

It means I don't think you have the slightest respect for Bernie or the issues he supports. TekGryphon May 2015 #162

Manny doesn't support Sanders BainsBane May 2015 #175

If you can't answer my simple question, MannyGoldstein May 2015 #184

What is your question? TekGryphon May 2015 #247

Based on the volume of diarrhea you're spraying MannyGoldstein May 2015 #256

snap BainsBane May 2015 #292

"If you can't answer my simple question" BainsBane May 2015 #291

Yes, and it bears no relation to how you and your friends use the term BainsBane May 2015 #170

Can you point to some examples where I've misused it? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #179

To insult members of this site BainsBane May 2015 #268

I take it you cannot point to examples where I've misused it? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #276

What principles of that Think Tank do the DUers who devote yourself to denouncing support? BainsBane May 2015 #280

I've asked twice for examples, but they have not been presented. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #283

Look at your own OP BainsBane May 2015 #285

Looking back at my OP, once again MannyGoldstein May 2015 #287

Another dodge BainsBane May 2015 #288

I'm getting a little bit tired of you making things up MannyGoldstein May 2015 #254

Manny, why are you financially contributing to a Third Way site? BainsBane May 2015 #177

One question at a time. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #182

I didn't ask another question BainsBane May 2015 #271

"Manny, why are you financially contributing to a Third Way site?" MannyGoldstein May 2015 #278

That is the question you evaded BainsBane May 2015 #281

LOL MannyGoldstein May 2015 #282

Still refusing to answer BainsBane May 2015 #284

*Bam* Bobbie Jo May 2015 #293

Thanks, Manny vlakitti May 2015 #85

Excellent post, Manny. Zorra May 2015 #86

Ditto ... nikto May 2015 #87

"Support Bernie but think he can't win? Keep it to yourself." zappaman May 2015 #92

I'll add "DONATE TILL IT HURTS" demwing May 2015 #95

Right on. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #97

In it to win it. Hiraeth May 2015 #116

I Think This Man Has Given This A LOT Of Thought... ChiciB1 May 2015 #117

Maybe folks can keep the Hillary bashing to themselves too oberliner May 2015 #118

"Keep it to yourself". Yeah. No. Adrahil May 2015 #126

I am certain the Senator Sanders CAN win. 99Forever May 2015 #130

I remember many in this country saying that Obama could never win. michaz May 2015 #131

That's such subtle sarcasm it seems not to be... HereSince1628 May 2015 #133

I support Bernie but think our political system is so tilted and corrupted deutsey May 2015 #134

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #135

Well, I don't think they're *very* scared. Nor should they be--yet. Orsino May 2015 #136

My heart goes out to the poor picked on and marginalized Sanders supporters. NCTraveler May 2015 #139

I find it interesting that nobody complaining bothers to explain how he CAN win... brooklynite May 2015 #140

It's a long shot, for sure. But people do realize that 'black swan' events can Nay May 2015 #189

I would argue that "anything can happen" is equally silly brooklynite May 2015 #198

I'm not saying that Bernie shouldn't try to run a good campaign -- I'm saying that he may Nay May 2015 #223

Name calling and divisiveness is what you support. Bernie wants no part of you. (nt) great white snark May 2015 #141

"Name calling"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #143

After watching his presser yesterday I think TBF May 2015 #155

Lol, drew me right in Manny. dotymed May 2015 #157

I just sent him $100 yesterday. Greybnk48 May 2015 #158

Bernie needs to start by packing the caucuses. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #164

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #181

How? Nader's a Christian. NuclearDem May 2015 #192

Nader's Christian, what's your point? MisterP May 2015 #206

Clinton, Obama, Clinton? Yeah, NO! polichick May 2015 #185

Clinton, Obama, Clinton? Yeah,YES! stonecutter357 May 2015 #237

I don't mind people saying he can't win. It's simple free speech. RiverNoord May 2015 #187

This "scared" line seems to be the new meme brooklynite May 2015 #196

No - I haven't personally polled the Clinton organization RiverNoord May 2015 #298

On what planet are you living? Cosmocat May 2015 #215

By reasonable, I meant 'legitimate,' and, in this case legitimacy is actually going to matter more RiverNoord May 2015 #300

OK Cosmocat May 2015 #301

Sadly missing in your diatribe Cosmocat May 2015 #213

Perfect. zappaman May 2015 #290

K&R Ready to fight like hell for Bernie. raouldukelives May 2015 #216

Go ahead and laugh it up ctsnowman May 2015 #224

...he could run a third party splitter campaign and sink the Dems" Is what the GOP is thinking. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #226

It could never happen here ucrdem May 2015 #279

I'm with you, "conversations" are not enough, I'm sick to death of politics at this point, mother earth May 2015 #227

Bernie can't win. But that's not the point. Ernest Partridge May 2015 #240

Sorry Manny, but I know that Bernie SHALL win. RoccoR5955 May 2015 #248

One might think that those that are siding with Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street would rhett o rick May 2015 #249

Going to campaign even harder for Bernie, Duval May 2015 #250

Bernie can and will win. The way the electoral map shakes out there are so many solidly blue states totodeinhere May 2015 #251

Thank you, Manny. Paka May 2015 #253

ah...politics is "simple" brooklynite May 2015 #296

After Senator Sanders wins the nomination and the General Election, we will have a partay! Agony May 2015 #255

Team Hillary seems genuinely confused with all this talk about injustice and disparity... whereisjustice May 2015 #260

"Nobody but the people" trof May 2015 #261

If Hillary wins, it will be a victory for the Corporatists Stainless May 2015 #262

Didn't everyone say that about Barack Obama? raven mad May 2015 #263

Great OP, Manny! Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #265

Yes, let's all tear down HRC's candidacy YoungDemCA May 2015 #266

So... when will Hillary be demanding that TPP be defeated? TPP will harm women AND men whereisjustice May 2015 #294

He definitely can win. GreenEyedLefty May 2015 #274

Greece Early 2014: Syriza has NO chance....Greece 2015: Prime Minister Tsipras (Syriza) - nt democrat2thecore May 2015 #277

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #286

Welcome! MannyGoldstein May 2015 #289

I think he can win if they play fair fadedrose May 2015 #299