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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

You really think you got a winner with that argument? nt Bonobo May 2015 #1
There's a first time for everything. n/t winter is coming May 2015 #2
I think you would have been better quoting Kennedy if your point was "Clinton cant change." McCamy Taylor May 2015 #3
Nope, not equivalent at all. nt Bonobo May 2015 #8
But, McCamy, watch this speech: JDPriestly May 2015 #37
You think your question reveals a flaw in the argument? pnwmom May 2015 #17
Honestly I do not because the false equivalence is so vast and the gulf in remorse so unbridgeable. Bonobo May 2015 #20
If we can't forgive and believe Byrd changed from the KKK and give him the benefit of roguevalley May 2015 #23
They are desperate. woo me with science May 2015 #30
Awesome post woo me with science. Thanks for collecting all this stuff in one place. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #80
Actually, she does. Google "double standard." leftofcool May 2015 #53
After you google "the price of tea in China". nt Bonobo May 2015 #57
Whoever chose to use Byrd as an example to show up Hillary treestar May 2015 #82
Byrd's words and actions wrt the Iraqi War resolution are what matters... Bonobo May 2015 #84
to some it was "only a vote and it doesn't make a difference" neverforget May 2015 #91
Good grief. So amusing. merrily May 2015 #4
Bernie on the job defending the makers of Bushmaster XM15-E2S and Glock and you forgive this????? workinclasszero May 2015 #66
Comparing that to Iraq? merrily May 2015 #68
... NanceGreggs May 2015 #5
When she shows some genuine soul-searching growth from her part in that slaughter... Bonobo May 2015 #10
Political calculation?! Who? Hillary? Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #14
ALL politicians calculate MaggieD May 2015 #18
Yes, the propaganda has reached a point of trying to NORMALIZE monied corruption of the system. woo me with science May 2015 #33
Third way posts? MaggieD May 2015 #34
Yes, but Bernie doesn't "calculate" by pulling a 180 everytime the "political wind" starts to blow in the other direction. That's the difference with Bernie...WYSIWYG InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #59
And reducing it to just the Iraq vote. That was bad enough to be sure, all by itself. But it all the sabrina 1 May 2015 #86
Keep insulting Democrats BainsBane May 2015 #62
How come sometimes you say DU has NO influence on the broader world but Bonobo May 2015 #85
It's quite ironic - that's for sure MaggieD May 2015 #6
if you can't forgive on and allow growth, you can't forgive the other. simple as that. roguevalley May 2015 #24
Meh, a few lynchings, give or take BainsBane May 2015 #7
"We can never forgive a woman who voted 13 years ago to authorize a war!" beevul May 2015 #9
but she voted for war... smiley May 2015 #81
What's that word? yallerdawg May 2015 #11
Yea, but if you said it, it would just get poo pooed by the Bernie crowd. leftofcool May 2015 #55
Octopi can also change their spots to blend in with their surroundings, unlike leopards. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #12
Since HRC represented NY, she should be supporting the people of NY. Thinkingabout May 2015 #13
+10000000 MaggieD May 2015 #15
So it's their fault they didn't hold Bush accountable? They neverforget May 2015 #39
WTH are you talking about? Do you think for one second a GOP Congress was going to hold Bush Thinkingabout May 2015 #61
So they're blameless for their vote? Powerless to enforce their own laws or votes? neverforget May 2015 #63
She has addressed the vote, now are you willing to address the bill passed and understand it was Thinkingabout May 2015 #65
Well no shit it's Bush's fault. Do you see me blaming Hillary for Bush's decision? No. She voted neverforget May 2015 #67
As your Congressman stated: Thinkingabout May 2015 #69
So Hillary has no responsibility for her vote? neverforget May 2015 #70
I thought we had already discussed this but if we dod not her statement was Thinkingabout May 2015 #72
Well she is the one running for President now so she is going to get called out on it. It's neverforget May 2015 #73
I thought I had heard Bernie was running for president and his record will also be examined Thinkingabout May 2015 #74
And that's why you don't think about much: we're talking about Hillary. Not Bernie. neverforget May 2015 #75
I did not realize GD was restricted to talking about only Hillary. But thanks for Thinkingabout May 2015 #77
You can change the subject all you want if you don't want to talk about Hillary. I understand neverforget May 2015 #79
As I saw in another thread today, it waa only a vote and it doesn't make any difference. Thinkingabout May 2015 #83
Wow! Really???? That's a pretty cavalier attitude to the men and women who were killed in neverforget May 2015 #87
I thought it was also. Thinkingabout May 2015 #88
Yeah that's why you repeated that disgusting attitude. neverforget May 2015 #89
That's the correct history, not the revisionist one where they get to blame her and others stevenleser May 2015 #90
Revisionist? about what? She voted for the IWR neverforget May 2015 #94
As I have said many times here that doesn't work stevenleser May 2015 #95
The UN did it so it's okay! How many UN troops went to Iraq under the UN flag? neverforget May 2015 #96
Just the opposite. It is you who want to condemn one group but not the other and stevenleser May 2015 #97
Give me an f'ing break. Admit to what? That Clinton voted for IWR and was wrong neverforget May 2015 #98
I have multiple links backing up my story and you have nothing. stevenleser May 2015 #99
Uh huh. Don't quit your day job neverforget May 2015 #100
Politics is my day job. You might want to look into actually researching the facts stevenleser May 2015 #101
I just read her speech.....AGAIN. neverforget May 2015 #102
Fact is it worked for the intended result. The UN weapons inspection teams were let in stevenleser May 2015 #103
Lol. it sure did as the authorization for war worked too. neverforget May 2015 #104
No, that was not the intent and that's obvious from the wording and its also stevenleser May 2015 #105
Bush is responsible for the war. But I get can't over the fact that those who voted for the IWR neverforget May 2015 #106
Any Obama fans? yallerdawg May 2015 #16
Let 'em vote for Rand. He's only for bombing Israel's neighbors and going back into Iraq. Our hero! freshwest May 2015 #19
Senator Byrd was not defined by a single vote. MelungeonWoman May 2015 #21
Tell us which votes MaggieD May 2015 #35
If Hillary clearly establishes that she has changed dreamnightwind May 2015 #22
You are so eloquent and that is precisely, precisely how I feel. Bonobo May 2015 #25
Not sure that she hasn't in some way indicated she regrets her vote dreamnightwind May 2015 #28
DUers conveniently forget they voted for a president who has perpertuated war for the last 6 yrs nt msongs May 2015 #26
Exactly. He just didn't ask for congressional approval. RiverLover May 2015 #47
Wouldn't support Byrd for presidency. Sorry. Scootaloo May 2015 #27
Yeah, he's out of the running for me too. nt Bonobo May 2015 #29
Wouldn't HAVE supported him, then Scootaloo May 2015 #31
Oh. Yeah, me too. Bonobo May 2015 #32
yeah, not quite sure of the argument being made Scootaloo May 2015 #42
Ha ha ha ha. So funny! nt Bonobo May 2015 #43
"pretty sure citizenship lapses after death." Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #36
McCamy, may I quote your journal entry on this subject (The Iraq War)? Bonobo May 2015 #38
amazing how it's our fault we didn't stop them but those in Congress neverforget May 2015 #40
Yup, it's all on us. Bonobo May 2015 #41
False Equivalency Fail! TM99 May 2015 #44
Yes, but even more of a logic fail... Bonobo May 2015 #46
Oh, I definitely agree. TM99 May 2015 #48
I said the same in #20, but yes, it's comparing apples to apple orchards. nt Bonobo May 2015 #49
How about her listening to Teddy Kennedy or Pat Leahy? Gonna try to slam either of them? cali May 2015 #45
Her vote on the Iraq War Resolution isn't really the problem Motown_Johnny May 2015 #50
I don't want my next President following any KKKers advice, thank you. leftofcool May 2015 #51
Wow. TM99 May 2015 #56
Well she did consider Byrd a “friend and mentor”. n/t PoliticAverse May 2015 #78
This is a good observation and well stated. leftofcool May 2015 #52
it's not just that one vote. it's a decades long tendency toward being an armchair warhawk magical thyme May 2015 #54
... 99Forever May 2015 #58
HRC's Iraq vote.. sendero May 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author frylock May 2015 #64
That sure is a lot of mind reading and projecting you got going there! Rex May 2015 #71
Irony abounds. ucrdem May 2015 #76
On other words, for Hillary, political calculation was more important. Bonobo May 2015 #92
I don't need to see her to ritually disembowel herself, no, ucrdem May 2015 #93
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