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PeaceNikki

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Sun May 10, 2015, 08:46 AM May 2015

James Dobson on Domestic Violence: Women “Deliberately Bait” Their Husbands [View all]

I have seen marital relationships where the woman deliberately “baited” her husband until he hit her. This is not true in most cases of domestic violence, but it does occur. Why, one may ask, would any woman want to be hit? Because females are just as capable of hatred and anger as males, and a woman can devastate a man by enticing him to strike her. It is a potent weapon. Once he has lost control and lashed out at his tormentor, she then sports undeniable evidence of his cruelty. She can show her wounds to her friends who gasp at the viciousness of that man. She can press charges against him in some cases and have him thrown in jail. She can embarrass him at his work or in the church. In short, by taking a beating, she instantly achieves a moral advantage in the eyes of neighbors, friends, and the law. It may even help her justify a divorce, or if one comes, to gain custody of her children. Remember what the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor did to American morale and unity? It solidified our forces and gave us a cause worth fighting for. There are those who believe President Roosevelt ignored warnings of the Pearl Harbor invasion for the precise purpose of unifying our resolve against a rising Japanese imperialism. In the same spirit, I have seen women belittle and berate their husbands until they set aflame with rage. Some wives are more verbal than their husbands and can win a war of words any day of the week. Finally, the men reach a point of such frustration that they explode, doing precisely what their wives were begging them to do in the first place.

I remember one woman who came to church with a huge black eye contributed by her husband. She walked to the front of the auditorium before a crowd of five hundred people and made a routine announcement about an upcoming event. Everyone in attendance was thinking about her eye and the cad who did this to her. That was precisely what she wanted. I happened to know that her noncommunicative husband had been verbally antagonized by his wife until he finally gave her the prize she sought. Then she brought it to church to show it off. It does happen. (p. 149-50)


Update, 05/07/2015, 11:22 am Pacific: Several people have inquired if Dobson still stands by these statements written in 1983. He does indeed. Love Must Be Tough has been reprinted numerous times and this passage remains. The most recent reprint was 2007 and the passage is still there, unchanged.


From: https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/james-dobson-on-domestic-violence-women-deliberately-bait-their-husbands/

One big takeaway here to me: you are never ever responsible for the violent reactions of another person. Ever. There will always be people who claim provocation, but they are hucksters who are peddling bullshit.
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The takeaway I got was... trumad May 2015 #1
The impression I got from Dobson that he may have been sniffing airplane glue for a very long time eloydude May 2015 #24
Oh yes shenmue May 2015 #31
And one of those males who thinks women always lie Warpy May 2015 #86
Isn't that what they say after they abuse you...you made me do it... haikugal May 2015 #2
Believe me, I know. He always told me it was my fault and convinced his mother of it as well. PeaceNikki May 2015 #3
Yes he is..I've always hated that guy. haikugal May 2015 #5
No doubt. I'll never understand why people even try to make arguments like this. bluegopher May 2015 #4
There are a lot of Christians who support this theory. Women should be submissive. PeaceNikki May 2015 #7
Well if only women would follow scripture they would know how to act.. haikugal May 2015 #8
Wrong conclusion Ms. Yertle May 2015 #6
Many on DU feel that those who are 'provoked' have some rationale for violence just as Dobson Bluenorthwest May 2015 #9
I know, BNW. The discussions have brought me back to a dark place where I was blamed PeaceNikki May 2015 #10
They can not see the completion of the ideas they are promoting, which is abuse of the weak Bluenorthwest May 2015 #11
Thank you for stressing the importance of that. PeaceNikki May 2015 #12
"Sincerely held beliefs" my ass. calimary May 2015 #28
+10 million!!!! Agreed. It's been distressing watching some of the dialogue here this week riderinthestorm May 2015 #51
You must respect religious beliefs, Blue. beam me up scottie May 2015 #89
If James Dobson is peddling it, I'm not buying. Paladin May 2015 #13
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #14
What the fuck? Worse than what, exactly? PeaceNikki May 2015 #16
There is no excuse for any violence or abuse. edgineered May 2015 #17
It sounded like you were saying that being passive aggressive is "worse" than physically abusing som PeaceNikki May 2015 #18
No one drives another to be violent, a person can walk away. End it. bettyellen May 2015 #65
pig ibegurpard May 2015 #15
Isn't this the nutjob who was deliberately baited by his dog? winter is coming May 2015 #19
Yes, I believe he used that story to stress the importence of beating children into PeaceNikki May 2015 #20
And let's not forget this little gem: Orrex May 2015 #21
"One of the most influential Christian leaders" PeaceNikki May 2015 #22
Truly inspirational. Orrex May 2015 #27
A bully AND a perv, huh tularetom May 2015 #34
I'd bet in Mr Dobson's case... malthaussen May 2015 #49
I bet his wife deserved it every time he slapped her around--that's how he knows librechik May 2015 #23
She probably doesn't listen. Orrex May 2015 #26
That was my very first thought - he has been abusing his wife and now he has to justify patricia92243 May 2015 #56
What a jerk. 99Forever May 2015 #25
He's the guy behind "Focus on Family" and "Family Research Council". PeaceNikki May 2015 #29
Ahhh.. another "good xtian." 99Forever May 2015 #32
The good, obedient and properly submissive wife should know better than to Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #30
I don't really want to make it specifically about that mess, PeaceNikki May 2015 #33
I was never "abused" but I had a live-in boyfriend that overstayed his welcome. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #40
I'm so very sorry that happened to you. PeaceNikki May 2015 #41
For what it's worth -- Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #43
So glad to hear it, NU PeaceNikki May 2015 #45
Rock on. You deserve the best. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #48
Thanks, you, too. PeaceNikki May 2015 #50
Maybe I am being sexist. But I consider any guy that abuses women to be among the lowest Katashi_itto May 2015 #75
it's not about the guy losing control. He uses violence to maintain control elehhhhna May 2015 #35
And that's exactly what these monsters want. PeaceNikki May 2015 #37
Insane. He should have his divinity degree/license to preach revoked. Hiraeth May 2015 #36
Nope, instead he leads an empire, PeaceNikki May 2015 #39
a very sick person oldandhappy May 2015 #38
who is this turd maggot olddots May 2015 #42
He's the guy behind "Focus on Family" and "Family Research Council". PeaceNikki May 2015 #46
Pam Geller delibrately baited those terrorisys. AngryAmish May 2015 #44
Yeah, I imagine that the percentage of wives who bait their husbands... malthaussen May 2015 #47
Despicable bullshit of the highest order nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #52
To excuse domestic violence with one with “Deliberately Bait” is not acceptable. Thinkingabout May 2015 #53
When will these charlatans of the 80's 90's go the way of Jim Bakker? boston bean May 2015 #54
Never. There will always be another to replace him. These are core tenents of Christianity. PeaceNikki May 2015 #58
Jim Baker is still on TV. Don't lnow about his other outlets such as magazines, etc. patricia92243 May 2015 #59
Sounds to me like an argument against some heterosexual marriages. Trillo May 2015 #55
It's definitely an argument against getting involved with a "God-fearing Christian" man. PeaceNikki May 2015 #57
I can see your POV. Christian theology has at least two problems, Trillo May 2015 #67
Silly me, I used to hide the black eyes and split lips until they healed lunatica May 2015 #60
. PeaceNikki May 2015 #61
As a survivor of domestic abuse, I tell you Dobson is full of shit! procon May 2015 #62
I stand with you, procon. I'm so sorry you went through that. PeaceNikki May 2015 #64
I was so young and never heard the woman next door scream, but apparently, Baitball Blogger May 2015 #63
:( PeaceNikki May 2015 #66
So many proudly wear their ignorance for all the world to see..... AuntPatsy May 2015 #68
Because they are core tenets of Christianity. PeaceNikki May 2015 #70
What is even more incredibly telling, most such terrorist abusers of those they feel are AuntPatsy May 2015 #72
James Dobson deliberately "baited" all decent people with words like these YoungDemCA May 2015 #69
Blame the victim is a horrible justification for violence Gothmog May 2015 #71
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #73
Is this a joke... you just forgot to add that sarcasm thingy? nt procon May 2015 #76
Perhaps it was a cry for someone to help her. To ask what happened. To show they care. PeaceNikki May 2015 #77
holy shite, is all I will say and leave it there. nt boston bean May 2015 #78
It really truly made me very sad that a child would feel that way. PeaceNikki May 2015 #79
Very sad. And seem to still feel that way, boston bean May 2015 #84
I'm with you Nikki pintobean Jun 2015 #90
Thanks, pintobean, I guess I have different prospective than some. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #91
James Dobson mnhtnbb May 2015 #74
James Dobson is a child psychologist. xfundy May 2015 #80
He's one of the most influential leaders of Christianity today. PeaceNikki May 2015 #81
Yes, he is. xfundy May 2015 #82
My mom used to send me his parenting advice columns gollygee May 2015 #83
omg. what a jerk Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #85
Unfortunately this is not simply limited to the right... joeybee12 May 2015 #87
Rec and a big thank you for posting this! beam me up scottie May 2015 #88
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