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Warren DeMontague

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16. No, they don't actually exist.
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Except for the Josephus account- and the reason it's discredited, among other things, is that to take it seriously one has to believe that a 1st Century Jewish historian would suddenly change his tone radically and write a vastly out of character account in the words of a 3rd Century Christian- there ARE NO other contemporary historical accounts of the life of Jesus. The Bible is the only source.

That is, simply, a fact. Whether or not "Jesus" or someone like him (I suspect there were certainly itinerant rabbis in Nazareth, as well as numerous religious figures and well-documented "mystery cults" of which early Christianity was certainly one. John the Baptist, most likely, was a historical figure) existed, is debatable and will never be resolved without some serious additional historical evidence.

If you want to accuse me of having a closed mind, that's rich. All I'm doing is questioning an assertion that is held as axiomatic in many circles despite having zero corroborating real-world evidence. Maybe Jesus existed, but the evidence isn't there outside of the Bible (obviously, not an unbiased source)... so to assert "oh yes he definitely did" and then accuse others of having a closed mind... pretty funny.

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There he goes again.. Marie Marie Jun 2015 #1
I still shake my head over John being passed up for The Daily Show host WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jun 2015 #22
253 recs and counting Electric Monk Jun 2015 #2
Nice. So most of us do! PatrickforO Jun 2015 #3
Christ was a Jew. former9thward Jun 2015 #4
As a fictitious character, he has the advantage of being whatever people want him to be. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #6
He was no more fictitious than you or I. former9thward Jun 2015 #8
You mean the widely discredited Josephus account, which is generally believed to have been Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #10
LOL former9thward Jun 2015 #11
You said "Roman Historians", plural. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #14
Then I am sure you will point out how I am "wildly incorrect". former9thward Jun 2015 #15
No, they don't actually exist. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #16
You still haven't pointed out a single source former9thward Jun 2015 #17
Yes, it was a conspiracy. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #18
Where are Caesar's writings? former9thward Jun 2015 #23
oh ffs. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #24
A debate with you is truly a waste because of your intellectual dishonesty. former9thward Jun 2015 #25
No, I don't. But I'll tell you this- if someone were to put forth a convincing argument that Caesar Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #26
There are more than 1 secular references to the crucifixion JonLP24 Jun 2015 #28
I'd be interested to see that- seriously. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #29
I had more but my connection hit a wall JonLP24 Jun 2015 #30
Yeah, but America wouldnt vote for Irving Berlin, either. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #5
Upon retweet, someone actually tweeted back at me PDittie Jun 2015 #7
a troika of Iranian clerics come to proclaim a Palestinian subversive ruler of all Jews? MisterP Jun 2015 #9
All through my parochial school years fadedrose Jun 2015 #12
or a Canadian "Latino" Electric Monk Jun 2015 #19
What a great comment UglyGreed Jun 2015 #13
I'm a big fan of John Fugelsang. He always nails it. Vinca Jun 2015 #20
LOL +1 B Calm Jun 2015 #21
K&R B Calm Jun 2015 #27
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