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MinM

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65. Adrienne Shelly

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:12 PM

Jul 2015

I agree with the notion that the very fact that Sandra Bland was ever stopped and then jailed is the real issue here...

But, as I mentioned in this other thread, the case reminds me of how Adrienne Shelly was murdered. It was staged to look like a hanging/suicide. If not for her husband/blogger Andy Ostroy raising doubts about the suicide angle the police would have never investigated further...

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Sandra Bland Was Murdered [View all] Sunlei Jul 2015 OP

Yes. No matter what the actual cause of death is, Sandra was murdered by the System. n/t djean111 Jul 2015 #1

While I don't agree with some of what the author says... Calista241 Jul 2015 #2

+1, Americans are not more criminal than the rest of the world uponit7771 Jul 2015 #3

Yes, laws are very often over-broad. Igel Jul 2015 #8

Bland was on her way to a new job at Prairie A&M university when she was pulled over for failing to Sunlei Jul 2015 #4

And she changed lanes because he came up tblue Jul 2015 #9

I didn't know that. Damn it! Glimmer of Hope Jul 2015 #44

The complete video shows him turning around and speeding like mad to catch up to her. DhhD Jul 2015 #102

The incident happened on US Hwy 290 Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #112

she didn't signal and rolled a stop sign before that. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #79

this is correct Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Jul 2015 #14

"I" use my signals when changing lanes. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #16

Goody for you. But if someday you somehow neglected to do so, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #52

No I would not expect that to happen because the odds of that are statistically low. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #62

Do you think it was OK for her to have been arrested and jailed The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #63

If that the the sole reason she was arrested, No. Was that the sole reason she was arrested? No. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #73

If Bland was "arrested for resisting arrest" then the arrest came first or there Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #93

She didnt have sit for 3 days if she bonded out which makes me wonder why her parents did cstanleytech Jul 2015 #96

I know she suffered from epilepsy and was taking the drug Keppra Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #97

Oh I agree its a travesty, hopefully the cop wont be a cop after this though. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #98

On top of that, they didn't monitor her as often as they were supposed to Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #99

I know, either way they are guilty of negligence imo. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #101

As I understand it, she was prone to depression and then left alone in a cell for JDPriestly Jul 2015 #67

"Excessive force and an unwarranted arrest. That's my opinion." I agree there. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #74

On a practical level, you are right, but actually, she did not resist a lawful arrest. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #85

Not disagreeing you with but the proper place to argue about isnt when the cop has you pulled over cstanleytech Jul 2015 #88

I watched the video. She didn't argue with him until he really got nasty. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #92

Yes I know I saw the video as well but it doesnt matter cstanleytech Jul 2015 #95

I really hate to think of whatever your point is here. Dare you explain it? nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #86

Was responding to part where sun posted cstanleytech Jul 2015 #87

"We'd call it murder if a kidnapping victim died of fright during the job... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2015 #5

My thoughts exactly. marble falls Jul 2015 #11

I wonder if she was raped in jail. Ilsa Jul 2015 #6

I've been wondering that as well. /nt alcina Jul 2015 #7

You would think that the medical examiner would have checked for that. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #17

Maybe it had been several days and there wasn't Ilsa Jul 2015 #46

She was in jail for 3 days I think. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #49

A rape doesn't necessarily mean there is torn tissue. Ilsa Jul 2015 #64

Was there another examination? rainy Jul 2015 #61

The family got someone else to do an examination I read, who cstanleytech Jul 2015 #72

This is the discussion. Apparently you see a rape kit when they go to pick up the body. vaberella Jul 2015 #60

One would have thought that one of the women in nearby cells would have heard that. WillowTree Jul 2015 #90

I strongly suspect a jail cell execution for being uppity and as such less trouble dead than alive. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #10

anyone know if that particular jail has the rule, no laying on the bed during day hours? Sunlei Jul 2015 #15

Recipe as follows cstanleytech Jul 2015 #23

Failure to use a turn signal? Smoking whilst in your vehicle? "Smart mouth"? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #36

I agree, it should have ended at most with a citation. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #43

they are even claiming she might have smoked weed...IN JAIL!!!! noiretextatique Jul 2015 #109

"no one is innocent"...... marble falls Jul 2015 #12

Interesting and informative post. Thanks! nt Ilsa Jul 2015 #47

"...using the word "sir" as a strategy to avoid beatings and killings. " BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #13

True. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #19

SO accurate and true curious_citizen Jul 2015 #21

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2015 #18

I don't think it can be called murder unless more evidence supports it. randome Jul 2015 #20

Excellent OPed in the NYTImes this morning TBF Jul 2015 #22

I don't quite agree with this passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #31

She quickly changed lanes to get out of his way. Ilsa Jul 2015 #48

It doesn't matter passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #53

How was Sandra Bland "resisting him"? Your whole logic train falls off the rails right at that spot. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #54

I was trying to come up with a better word, and that was a poor choice passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #56

Same spot, same train wreck a second time. The cop had no "legal right" to "ask" Bland to put out a smoke. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #58

During a traffic stop Indydem Jul 2015 #77

Please allow me to explain a third time: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #83

Were you there? 840high Jul 2015 #68

Completely agree... MinM Jul 2015 #70

That was the second time she didn't signal Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #80

Nonsense. Deflective. The cop was loaded for bear, loaded for teaching an uppity black woman how Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #84

Totally agree with every word and paragraph of Roxane Gay's blog post at NYT, from the experience of a black person. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

I don't know how people cannot understand this - TBF Jul 2015 #55

What is an AA person, and, no offence, please stop using the shortcut. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #57

AA=African American. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #59

The traffic stop is ... zentrum Jul 2015 #24

I agree, not to mention passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #34

Sandra Bland was illegally detained and held captive. She died in captivity. It is murder and it is Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #25

they will not be charged. but the settlement will cost the county taxpayers elehhhhna Jul 2015 #33

Civil consequence are not enough, because black lives matter, because it will be white lives next. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #37

it's already white lives too. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #45

Suicide or not gollygee Jul 2015 #40

No need to particularize the issue so finely, because kidnappers are legally 100% liable for any harm. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #41

I've been in prisons with trash bags Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #81

Yes, that is exactly what happened Tumbulu Jul 2015 #89

Great article karynnj Jul 2015 #26

Both sides did things wrong madville Jul 2015 #30

Absolutely true karynnj Jul 2015 #35

Nonsense, that is a distortion of the plain reality of the video evidence - one too many Uppitys. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #38

the salient fact is this: the only illegal thing she did noiretextatique Jul 2015 #110

She may have had issues bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #27

Nonsense, that is a deflection from the stark video reality of a cop loaded for bear on a uppity Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #39

Depends on how one views it bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #50

This guy didn't have to get out of his car or get lit up. livingonearth Jul 2015 #82

She was justifiably feisty Geronimoe Jul 2015 #28

This is a form of indoctrination sorefeet Jul 2015 #29

A few more generations can worry about it then, but the worry is now. The solution is better law. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #42

VIDEO: Raw interview with Sandra Bland's co-inmate udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #32

Adrienne Shelly MinM Jul 2015 #65

another tragedy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #69

I am agreeing with you, could this be one of the signs of the apocalypse? nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #76

LOL noiretextatique Jul 2015 #113

Thats possible cstanleytech Jul 2015 #114

every day...hopefully eom noiretextatique Jul 2015 #115

Sandra Bland Not a Fan Jul 2015 #66

I agree unequivocally! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #71

That's so horrible. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #75

Sandra Bland and family, this was an injustice. saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #78

The Video I Saw Showed A Lightly Traveled Street DallasNE Jul 2015 #91

"There was no reason whatsoever for that cop to pull her over" Its more accurate to say that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #100

Please inform yourself of the detailed FACTS of the arrest, they are important to comprehension. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #103

Ok Fred lets keep it simple, did she signal to change lanes? Yes or no? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #104

Inform YOURSELF of the facts. I just said that. Why do I have to keep repeating myself around here? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #105

If you mean watch video I did, it didnt look she turned on signal to me then again I am on cstanleytech Jul 2015 #106

You are getting warmer.... Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #107

Thats not answer fred. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #108

K&R It is insanity and it must be stopped. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #94