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Syzygy321

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98. My area has a huge drug problem -

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:09 PM

Jul 2015

most prevalent in small towns where a lot of people are on government assistance and high numbers are sexually active young and have babies who then draw government health insurance, WIC, etc. the drug problem is really expensive (think million-dollar hospital admissions for heart valve infections, or millions upon millions for lifelong HIV meds or hepatitis C treatment.

I met a Swede long ago who explained socialized medicine in his country: the government pays for dental care, but citizens get fined if they don't go for preventive teeth cleaning. That makes sense to me. If the government is paying for your stuff, they have an interest (and you have a civic duty) in keeping you from draining their pocketbooks with bad choices. Money isn't unlimited, and when one person takes millions, that's millions less for all the other poor folks who don't shoot up, or who use birth control responsibly.

It's a difficult situation and I don't think quips and black/white thinking can encompass all the nuances.

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Walt Palmer (poacher) is proof that wealth does not trickle down and that the rich are undertaxed. [View all] tenderfoot Jul 2015 OP

i said something similar in a different thread yesterday restorefreedom Jul 2015 #1

Ironically, they complain about today's already low tax rate. Democrats_win Jul 2015 #2

huh? hill2016 Jul 2015 #3

Your concern has been duly noted. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #4

I was pointing out hill2016 Jul 2015 #17

No. I made the same point in another board. Springslips Jul 2015 #65

how about this Skittles Jul 2015 #72

Newbies aren't allowed to do that dumbcat Jul 2015 #115

Yeah, 50K for a wedding is excessive. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #6

well hill2016 Jul 2015 #15

So you agree, 50K is excessive. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #24

+1 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #86

of all of Mrs. Clinton's supporters that I know and have known CreekDog Jul 2015 #7

That's what Limbaugh used to call her back in the '90s. Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #16

yeah, i'm waiting for that one to slip and call her "Billary" CreekDog Jul 2015 #18

LOL. I remember that one! Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #25

Then what? pintobean Jul 2015 #64

then you'll chime in to tell everyone I was right CreekDog Jul 2015 #78

Lol! BeanMusical Jul 2015 #87

I happen to like hill2016 Jul 2015 #20

50k for a wedding? Good gawd almighty that's obscene. Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #8

depends if you're also flying relatives in, because they can't afford to be there otherwise. haele Jul 2015 #79

Wait - think about it Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #84

I don't know what ours cost, but it must have been obscene DFW Jul 2015 #91

This douche has gone on many obscenely expensive trophy hunts. City Lights Jul 2015 #10

no.the point is they CAN afford to pay higher taxes JI7 Jul 2015 #19

depends: do they live in Manhattan? CreekDog Jul 2015 #21

? Yeah and you'd never find a person like him Ever Duppers Jul 2015 #26

Actually I know a guy Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #90

How did you come t that conclusion from what the OP wrote? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #27

let's examine the premise hill2016 Jul 2015 #36

That's a false equivalency and is a logical fallacy notadmblnd Jul 2015 #40

sorry hill2016 Jul 2015 #60

Again with the reading comprehension notadmblnd Jul 2015 #62

huh hill2016 Jul 2015 #63

Hi; not taking sides in this subthread Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #92

me too hill2016 Jul 2015 #102

Please answer. Or I am gonna die Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #123

50K would have built schools in Zimbabwe. Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #5

Hiya, Ilios Meows! City Lights Jul 2015 #11

Thanks! Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #14

Oh hell, it could help a few underfunded schools here.. whathehell Jul 2015 #59

In the ideal situation Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #85

Yes, because Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #9

Your slip is totally showing tenderfoot Jul 2015 #23

Oh to hear that knock at the door, the driver standing there with a steaming box -- byronius Jul 2015 #75

Are you part of the one percent? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #28

No, I'm not Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #32

Are you saying that the rich already pay enough taxes? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #33

I think the government could manage its $$$ Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #38

then advocating for the rich is just merely a hobby for you? notadmblnd Jul 2015 #44

I'm not advocating for the rich Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #54

yes you are advocating for the rich here. notadmblnd Jul 2015 #61

I hope the 30+ year free ride the wealthy have been enjoying comes to an end. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #34

Well-- Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #35

Oh the poor put upon doctors who charge through the nose for their services. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #39

I see you didn't answer my question Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #41

Some people become doctors because they actually about people. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #47

Yup Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #49

They take an oath - so yeah. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #50

I am one of those doctors :) Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #95

I am genuinely curious about a couple things uppityperson Jul 2015 #97

I think I stumbled across it while searching the Internet Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #99

DU is a big tent. uppityperson Jul 2015 #104

Well, for example, look at this thread. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #107

Hah - a perfect example is Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #118

which post was alerted, what were jury results, remarks? Aha, this one? uppityperson Jul 2015 #119

So if a doctor dbackjon Jul 2015 #106

Hah, doubtful! Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #110

That is far too extreme dbackjon Jul 2015 #114

It's not about 'confiscation of excess income,' it's about taxing wealth more than we do now Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #42

Sure-- Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #48

At one time the rich were taxed a rate of 94% currently they pay no more than about 35% notadmblnd Jul 2015 #51

About that 94% tax rate . . . Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #52

Right. And Kennedy lowered it to 70% or so d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #77

Ahhh - but that was the beauty of the old tax rates ... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #89

Did I say they paid it? I dont think so. notadmblnd Jul 2015 #111

Nobody ever paid anything close to 91% of their income in taxes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #101

I once had a patient - young, black, disabled - Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #93

perhaps a luxury tax of $500 on every $250,000 hunt? or a Federal tax of dollar a bullet? Sunlei Jul 2015 #29

A luxury tax would be a good thing Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #43

telling people what they can do with their own $$ is only okay when it involves poor people... tenderfoot Jul 2015 #45

Yes, and limiting what can be puchased with food stamps. tosh Jul 2015 #53

My area has a huge drug problem - Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #98

I appreciate what you are saying Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #103

Results... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #109

Please google the article Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #120

The OP simple said tax people that rich more treestar Jul 2015 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #96

Actually all money DOES belong to the government. johnp3907 Jul 2015 #31

I can only imagine the convenience of possessing a mind which allows one to see in terms... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #55

Yeah, me too Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #58

Your superiority is noted. byronius Jul 2015 #74

There's another "good thing" that comes from it. jeff47 Jul 2015 #12

50k is cheap for those hunts because it was a lion.They cough-up much more for endangered species. Sunlei Jul 2015 #13

The rich require exotic thrills. DirkGently Jul 2015 #22

It's an addiction. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #70

The issue is about who inherits the earth and its biota swilton Jul 2015 #30

with the mudslinging from Planned Parenthood PatrynXX Jul 2015 #37

An earthquake caused by fracking Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #67

Well, that's just goldang Leveler talk. byronius Jul 2015 #46

If Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #57

And why is the cut-off $250k? hill2016 Jul 2015 #69

I'm just slinging numbers out from the hip, so to speak. byronius Jul 2015 #116

Because they love the work? byronius Jul 2015 #71

You make really thoughtful points. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #100

Thank you for that response. byronius Jul 2015 #108

Thanks. Makes sense to me. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #112

I will add that I didn't mean to Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #113

An odd point of history to add to Whiskeytide's response -- byronius Jul 2015 #117

I think it's kind of hard to be a good heart transplant surgeon CreekDog Jul 2015 #80

I often say that the uber-wealthy ought to be taxed out of existence. hunter Jul 2015 #56

Well said. byronius Jul 2015 #73

His wealth compared to yours is nothing compared to... Taitertots Jul 2015 #66

Do firefighters 'deserve' to earn their money? Ilios Meows Jul 2015 #68

Proof that wealth does not trickle down? Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #81

No no fucking role anywhere. You have the same genes. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #83

As the wildlife? Or the hunters? Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #88

It is pretty clear what you were touting, so why do you ask me to explain what you stated? No role lonestarnot Aug 2015 #121

Your hostility puzzled me Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #122

Not just the rates, but where those rates fall... JHB Jul 2015 #82

Well, he's certainly been accused of "shining a spotlight" on something. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #94

+1000000000000 dbackjon Jul 2015 #105