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Con crews are fine HassleCat Aug 2015 #1
You are fine with slave labor? RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #3
"all of whom have volunteered to participate in the program" uppityperson Aug 2015 #20
Volunteer prisoners! Neat! RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #24
Prisoners who are imprisoned!!!! omg!!! uppityperson Aug 2015 #27
A prisoner's choice is no choice at all. RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #48
You should read into the objectives of the program nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #54
Perhaps. Perhaps this situation and this particular prison system is an exception RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #58
You are mostly correct in those assumptions about the California Department of Corrections nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #59
LOL, not a deep thinker I bet. nt Logical Aug 2015 #49
For convicts? We are not talking productive citizens yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #55
Convicts of which laws? Outcomes of which prejudices and systemic pressures? RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #57
That's true but different subject yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #60
Two bucks an hour for putting one's life on the line Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #67
Mother Jones did not look at the full costs nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #76
They are not slaves or anything remotely like that HassleCat Aug 2015 #61
Prison labor is slave labor. Brickbat Aug 2015 #2
This ^^^^ nt Mnemosyne Aug 2015 #4
Funny. Most prisoners on the fire lines would disagree with you. Xithras Aug 2015 #6
Nothing you say changes the fact that it's slave labor. Brickbat Aug 2015 #7
No, it's not. Forced prison labor would be slave labor. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #28
Are you forgetting they get two days off their sentence for every day worked yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #56
"Prison labor is only a problem when it's forced." What garbage. RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #8
Of course it has issues, but there's no evidence of abuse in the CalFire program. Xithras Aug 2015 #10
Drug laws and homelessness laws are typically the ones that do little more than fill prisons. RadiationTherapy Aug 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author stuffmatters Aug 2015 #13
Incomplete equation dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #26
Peter to rob paul more precisely nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #53
I acknowledge that it may lower recidivism but dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #65
If this was any private prison for profit managing this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #66
And I forgot a few points nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #68
Some good points dreamnightwind Sep 2015 #69
I am all for ending the war on drugs nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #72
Great post. You said it far better than I did stuffmatters Sep 2015 #78
Yep. progressoid Aug 2015 #9
We have talked to crews on the fire line, over jugs of water nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #17
I've taught a number of them. Xithras Aug 2015 #23
They are incredible nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #29
Yep. No two ways about it. hifiguy Aug 2015 #21
I used to work with parolees. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #31
It's like you think I haven't. Brickbat Aug 2015 #41
Well, if you've spoken to them about it, Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #43
So, so are volunteers for political campaigns? nt Logical Aug 2015 #51
It's only slave labor if they're forced to work to make somebody a profit tularetom Aug 2015 #33
The word "volunteer" must confuse you. nt Logical Aug 2015 #50
Prison education is slave education... LanternWaste Sep 2015 #73
Lantern Waste = Creek Dog = KCR. nt clarice Sep 2015 #79
Gee whiz, Newest Reality Aug 2015 #5
The program is run by a STATE AGENCY, that be CAL FIRE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #18
Profit is not involved. Don't you understand the concept of the commons? tularetom Aug 2015 #34
Prison labor profits both Ca AND the companies that provide it. Kamala Harris is plain creepy here. stuffmatters Aug 2015 #12
The company that runs this is CAL FIRE a state agency nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #80
I know someone that has wanted to be a firefighter their entire lives untrue Aug 2015 #14
Except CAL FIRE staffs every year up with sesaonal fire fighrers nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #16
this is wrong. untrue Aug 2015 #30
I will put it this way nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #36
I was a volunteer firefighter for twenty years tularetom Aug 2015 #37
I was a medic for ten years south of the border nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #39
These are seasonal firefighters. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #44
More than one of these guys and gals nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #15
That's interesting Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #25
This program started early in the 1940s, the modern form nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author untrue Aug 2015 #35
This is about rehabiltation nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author untrue Aug 2015 #40
So you woudl rather have these people come in and out of prison for the rest of their lives? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author untrue Aug 2015 #46
I recommend you go to your local member of the legislature nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #47
If I was in prison I would be begging to get on a fire crew. Throd Aug 2015 #19
+1000, they want to be outside the walls. Make them feel free. No one is forcing them either. nt Logical Aug 2015 #52
And of course MJ did not bother with Prop 47 nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #22
K&R nt. ion_theory Aug 2015 #42
Will they get recognition as "first responders?" AND don't forget a huge portion of cheap labor kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #62
Tell me exactly how is Cal Fire making out like bandits nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #70
Why not? They volunteered. 840high Sep 2015 #63
This is the definition of a rehabilitation program in prisons. ellisonz Sep 2015 #64
It is not because people are progressive or conservative nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #71
So THAT'S why we incarcerate so damn many people! KamaAina Sep 2015 #74
Xposted to California group KamaAina Sep 2015 #75
They're covered by Cal/OSHA too. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #77
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