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Warren DeMontague

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44. I still think it's too broadly defined, in many cases.

Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:40 PM

Sep 2015

I know a lot of people who like to drink even though it has caused them trouble in the past-- they're not all, to my mind, alcoholics or even "addicted" to alcohol.

I put ghost pepper sauce on my fajitas, because I find the stimuli rewarding- despite the adverse consequences that I shall not go into detail about, generally 12-24 hours later. Is that an 'addiction'? Hmmm, perhaps.

But I would think we ALL can agree that no one with any sort of actual problem is helped by defining the word "addicition" so broadly that it encompasses all use- like saying, again, anyone who has ever shot craps in a casino is a "gambling addict".

What that's about is trying to dress up a subjective morality point- "porn is bad, gambling is bad", etc. in medical lingo, i.e. "addiction".

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Amanda Marcotte: No, Porn Addiction Is Not Really A Thing [View all] Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 OP

The word "addiction" has been devalued into complete meaninglessness hifiguy Sep 2015 #1

Not really, there are behavioral patterns that qualify Warpy Sep 2015 #8

I don't think that someone who masturbates regularly is an "addict", do you? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #12

I think it depends on how it impacts their life mythology Sep 2015 #17

I think that's the point she's making. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #22

Definitely Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #115

probably addiction to that is more like ocd, imo elehhhhna Sep 2015 #78

Turning the light switch on and off twenty-three times Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #93

try the shower massage elehhhhna Sep 2015 #103

what makes you think I haven't? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #104

If it's compulsive, he'll do it in public Warpy Sep 2015 #20

Bosco will be so relieved. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #30

Agreed. I think you can become addicted to a lot of different things. It's just not as easy as with stevenleser Sep 2015 #16

And yet these religious right or other ideologically motivated outfits define it ALL as "addiction". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #31

I would agree 100% with the point you are making here. Nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #37

+1000 ^^^ This Guy gets it ^^^ FreakinDJ Sep 2015 #39

Surprising that no one has clued them into the booming male chastity belt market. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #43

+1 DashOneBravo Sep 2015 #50

Oh jeez...who knows what's gonna show up on my on-line ads now! ret5hd Sep 2015 #76

"it was research, honey!" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #95

There was an episode of Sex Sent Me to the ER kcr Sep 2015 #128

To quote Popeye Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #132

Still doesn't explain why the most devoted are the ones into the kinkiest sex fetishes. Initech Sep 2015 #2

Kinky is using a feather, perverted is using the whole Chicken. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #13

Sexual addiction and pornography addiction are real things. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #3

That's crazy talk. branford Sep 2015 #6

Well, DU definitely has a cadre of Witchfinders General. hifiguy Sep 2015 #7

"Hide, witch, hide. The good folks come to burn thee" hobbit709 Sep 2015 #68

For one, Duggar has built his career on shit like opposing marriage equality. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #14

I'm certainly not going to defend or advocate for Duggar, and my post was clearly in jest. branford Sep 2015 #46

I think it's helpful if we're pointing out that, a) the groups in question Duggar is affiliated with Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #47

Tell Amanda Marcotte. I think she makes good points. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #9

Again, I'm not a psychiatrist, so I'm not going to play one and diagnose Josh Duggar. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #18

I don't think one needs to be a psychiatrist to grok that Duggar seems to have profound problems Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #26

Sure, I understand the point of what Marcotte was saying. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #32

She herself says "here are certainly men out there who use porn so much it interferes with the rest Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #33

Well, dependency and addiction are different things. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #42

I still think it's too broadly defined, in many cases. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #44

The DSM typically has a list of symptoms associated with an addiction. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #48

Would you agree that the folks at "every man's battle" who define all masturbation as pathological Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #49

Entirely agree they're not experts. NuclearDem Sep 2015 #52

In this case, I think Duggar is trying to shirk responsibility. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #53

Bad jobs for more money is a horrid addiction... hunter Sep 2015 #66

I wouldn't categorize every bad decision or crappy life choice as an "addiction". Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #96

But that doesn't mean the reverse is true, that there's no such thing as addiction kcr Sep 2015 #118

who said there's no such thing as addiction? Not me. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #119

It's in the title of the OP kcr Sep 2015 #124

Probably, since Marcotte herself qualifies it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #125

I understand what you mean. I just think it's a sloppy article. kcr Sep 2015 #126

The headline misrepresents the gist of the article, I agree. At best it's a great oversimplification Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #131

How do you know DU has no psychiatrists? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #27

I think Joe Philly might be one Doctor_J Sep 2015 #45

funny thing gklagan Sep 2015 #58

Very helpful! smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #77

So when "every man's battle" characterizes looking at the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit issue Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #100

um gklagan Sep 2015 #109

yes, exactly. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #111

Go away - 'baitin! Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #4

Indeed. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #10

Although meant to illustrate mankinds demise I hope Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #21

People are still ashamed of it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #23

Well you know those prudish types. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #34

we all need hobbies. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #35

Ahh, so you're into working with wood? ;) nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #36

speaking of Mike Judge Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #38

I'll leave this sub-thread with this - Cheers! Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #40

"Your wife was just showing us her Klimt" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #41

The Masterbation Network. Keeping America 'Baitin For Over 300 Years! Initech Sep 2015 #51

Really gives a new meaning to "Ice Road Truckers", don't it? Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #55

Perhaps you were thinking of the Ice Road Tuggers? Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #61

Didn't god comand us to.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #5

And then he sent us Arnold Schwarzenegger Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #11

Ever heard of Onan? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #29

Yes, I named my son after him. (nt) PosterChild Sep 2015 #54

Ignoring the obvious contradiction. WinkyDink Sep 2015 #69

Onan's sin was not masturbation jberryhill Sep 2015 #88

R. Crumb really did a good job on the book of Genesis. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #97

The Forbidden Fruit Effect Oneironaut Sep 2015 #15

Never mind porn addiction. Our real problem is DU addiction. n/t Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #19

Any behavior which stimulates various parts of the brain geek tragedy Sep 2015 #24

Being alive stimulates various parts of the brain. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #28

I'm not sure the medical community agrees. There's now cell-phone addiction, WinkyDink Sep 2015 #25

There are no 12 step meetings for people addicted to 12 step meetings Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #56

I think they're called "Meta-Meetings." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #70

I knew someone who was in LiberalElite Sep 2015 #72

I think i got all of those except "DA" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #112

DA is Debtors Anonymous nt LiberalElite Sep 2015 #113

Ah. Gotcha. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #116

Wow. I gotta look that up. (Moral re-armament) nt LiberalElite Sep 2015 #137

obviously the spin is gonna depend on who you ask. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #138

Thanks! nt LiberalElite Sep 2015 #139

Sounds like "Fight Club" the movie. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #141

Here's Duggar with "porn harms" anti-smut crusader Rick Santorum Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #57

OK, This is IT! The full, complete.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #59

So you agree with Amanda Marcotte, or not? Did you read it? (speaking of TL;DR) Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #65

Consulting the explanatory footnotes, I think..... PosterChild Sep 2015 #67

They do seem obsessed with the need for control: bemildred Sep 2015 #71

Let's say you have . .... PosterChild Sep 2015 #79

There you go. bemildred Sep 2015 #80

""The devil made me do it!" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2015 #60

FWIW: Ted Bundy Disagrees... jonno99 Sep 2015 #62

Ted Bundy was a pathological liar who was great at telling people what they wanted to hear. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #63

Sexual crimes against women are down? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #75

Your links: Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #85

Interesting. 840high Sep 2015 #64

May be interesting, but ultimately stupid. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #73

"Without expectation". bemildred Sep 2015 #74

"Without exception" - someone's spell check is on a tear jberryhill Sep 2015 #82

I like it better unfixed, but OK. nt bemildred Sep 2015 #83

I Don't Think He Said RobinA Sep 2015 #105

It also correlates with disrespect for other people and a lack of self-control. bemildred Sep 2015 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #107

"Here I am in prison. I know lots of people who are violent (being in prison) & they all have feet" Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #108

Of course they were! It's prison! LeftyMom Sep 2015 #110

Why does it seem to only affect men? nt threethirteen Sep 2015 #81

Because we're evil, bad, defective and inferior. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #94

You do realize this puritanical attitude towards sex was concocted by men, right? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #135

The fact that men invented porn argues against that. n/t lumberjack_jeff Sep 2015 #136

Right... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #143

If the only thing your hand touches is part of your own body, who gives a crap? mikehiggins Sep 2015 #84

because making people feel guilty about something they're biologically programmed to do is a Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #86

You got booze on your gym socks? jberryhill Sep 2015 #87

I kept my bathtub gin in an old gym sock, sneak into the theater to watch Wallace Beery movies Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #89

With a dime novel in your back pocket, no doubt jberryhill Sep 2015 #90

At outdoor concerts, I stick a pt down my underwear, Jagger style. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #133

As in Mick, or Meister? jberryhill Sep 2015 #134

HA! Mick-style, though he allegedly used t-paper. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #146

The Christianity Today piece is hysterical. RiffRandell Sep 2015 #91

Now, if I caught my teenager reading Ayn Rand or the Wall St. Journal editorial page Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #92

All together now! Orrex Sep 2015 #98

I dont get it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #99

So, ah yeah Youporn is a real thing GOLGO 13 Sep 2015 #101

yeah, anyone who wants a comprehensive list of porn urls, the Indian government recently Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #102

In the instances Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #114

I don't want to sound like I'm questioning the veracity of your anecdote, but it sounds... strange. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #117

What I consider 'pretty hard core' Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #120

Sounds like the depression could be clinical. Medical/chemical. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #121

I should have just Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #122

I hope he gets it sorted out. It's good of you to be compassionate about his issues. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #123

It's totally off the topic to your original post... Dorian Gray Sep 2015 #145

I guess there are some HassleCat Sep 2015 #127

Jesus is busy. hifiguy Sep 2015 #129

I woud hate to be Jesus HassleCat Sep 2015 #130

There certainly is a religious addiction in this country. roamer65 Sep 2015 #140

oddly enough I happened to watch this video yesterday hfojvt Sep 2015 #142

It's pretty clear how the people at "nofap", associated with this Wilson character, feel about it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #144