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Mc Mike

(9,107 posts)
6. +1, Thanks. Good analysis.
Tue May 22, 2012, 08:41 AM
May 2012

Prof. Klein's 'Shock Doctrine' talked about a lot of Third World nations turning their backs on WTO, IMF, and World Bank (pp 576-8, in her chapter 'Shock Wears Off'), by going with the ALBA (Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas.) Greece isn't 3rd world, but it might as well be.

Brazil, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Argentina, Equador, Bolivia all gave the finger to the banksters. The IMF's lending portfolio went from 80% Latin America in '05 to 1% in '07. Argentina's Kirchner said "There is life after the IMF, and it's a good life." The 'Financial Times' reported that when World Bank managers dispensed [austerity] advice to the developing world, "they were now laughed at." The Latins appear to be mirroring the Yeltsin group's strategy, when they all pulled their Republics out from under Gorbachev, and reassembled them into a new Russia, not ruled by Gorby. It would be good if Greece could join a Southern Hemisphere oriented alternative to western banksters, along with all the other nations getting bled by the financial leeches. The country is like a frog in a skillet, they have to jump some way. Why not jump toward giving their people hope? At minimum, Greece has a lot of shipping capacity to offer any new financial cooperative that they join.

Hitler's nazis promised to give the finger to banks and corporations, but were the flunkies of those financial interests. They were created by big money interests, and completely subservient to them. Fascism was defined as 'Corporatism + Reaction'. Hopefully the Greeks will see through the nazi flunkies' lies, despite their country's current level of austere misery and financial shock.

Why do I think parts of America are already there? ananda May 2012 #1
"the country would have enough cash to pay its workers and retirees" ? dipsydoodle May 2012 #2
That was Tsipras; if he is elected THERE WILL BE tax collection kenny blankenship May 2012 #3
He's dreaming dipsydoodle May 2012 #4
Over and over again. So much for any correlation between money and brains. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #5
+1, Thanks. Good analysis. Mc Mike May 2012 #6
I like and agree with your second paragraph especially........... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #9
The coalition you concieve would be beautiful to behold. Mc Mike May 2012 #10
That's the way it usually works ......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #31
Dave C. Johnston's book 'Free Lunch' has a ton of good info on Mc Mike May 2012 #36
Yeah, we're a long way away from nationalization............ socialist_n_TN May 2012 #42
Even Jon Stewart mentioned it at least twice. Mc Mike May 2012 #45
Thank you for the update on the SA country that have escaped the IMF, World Bank and disaster jwirr May 2012 #14
Para 1 & 2 of my post 6 are from Prof. Naomi's book Mc Mike May 2012 #15
I did not remember that part. I to am sorry that Chevez has cancer. I heard that he has set up jwirr May 2012 #16
That's from pp 576-8, paperback edition. Mc Mike May 2012 #18
I am one of the people who benefit from Citgo and the energy assistance from Chavez. We could jwirr May 2012 #19
That program shows real greatness. Mc Mike May 2012 #22
Euronews: Tsipras starts EU tour ahead of Greek elections pampango May 2012 #7
Well, yep, it's hard to seize power with no crisis as a pretext. nt bemildred May 2012 #8
It's already happening in some ways. Such as the takeover of cities (like detroit) because of HiPointDem May 2012 #20
I think of it more as things falling apart, with the clampdown as a consequence. bemildred May 2012 #21
The austerity policies imposed by Chancellor hifiguy May 2012 #11
How come the 1 percents never learn from the past? Fawke Em May 2012 #12
Hubris, narcissism? bemildred May 2012 #13
It simply amazes me that there is that amount of hubris in their thinking. Fawke Em May 2012 #17
it's working for them. that's what you're not getting. it's working well. HiPointDem May 2012 #24
Sorry, it's you that's not getting it here. bemildred May 2012 #25
it pays in the long run, too. HiPointDem May 2012 #27
See, that's what we mean about needing to read more history. nt bemildred May 2012 #30
I read plenty of history. A human being lives about 70-some years. Most powerful rich people HiPointDem May 2012 #33
We're talking apples and oranges here, bee. Mc Mike May 2012 #37
I'm talking long view (history, eh?) , he wants to restrict it to short-view only. bemildred May 2012 #39
Bee, I honestly didn't mean to offend. Mc Mike May 2012 #43
I'm not offended, he's right as far as that goes, but it's not what we were talking about. bemildred May 2012 #44
Not sure if your reffing h's # 24 reply to F's 17, or the #23 re to your 13. Mc Mike May 2012 #46
I have no problem, that I can see, with anything Fawke Em has said so far. bemildred May 2012 #47
If #24's wording was changed Mc Mike May 2012 #48
I'm OK with all that. nt bemildred May 2012 #50
Nice plug for Shelley there, BTW. bemildred May 2012 #49
Excellent read, new to me. +1, thanks. NT. Mc Mike May 2012 #51
For now, it's working well. Fawke Em May 2012 #26
Starting a DeFarge-style knitting circle Mc Mike May 2012 #34
the fact that ordinary people think things aren't being governed well doesn't have much relevance HiPointDem May 2012 #23
I worked for a Hah-vahd man once deutsey May 2012 #38
Yep, my back trail is littered with those guys. bemildred May 2012 #40
It's a Mental Sickness, that's why fascisthunter May 2012 #32
I dunno if I'd call it a disease. bemildred May 2012 #41
"austerity" is disaster capitalism to allow extremists etc. into power. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #28
yes, i agree that a lot of things that are supposedly just the twists & turns of history are HiPointDem May 2012 #29
US intel jerks Mc Mike May 2012 #35
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