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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
139. Uber users are ignorant, especially liberal Uber users
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 06:37 AM
Sep 2015

What’s really going on is the desire of businesses to chop wages and benefit costs while also limiting their vulnerability to lawsuits, which can happen when salaried employees are mistreated. The burden of economic risk is shifted even further onto workers, who lose the security and protections of the New-Deal-era social insurance programs that were created when long-term employment was the norm.

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rowing use of contingent workers (in “gigs”) came when capitalists sought to respond to gains by labor through the early 1970s, and in response to the victories capital won in the rise of the neoliberal era. Because contingent workers were usually not covered by union contracts or other legal safeguards, employers hired them to regain leverage over workers lost when unionized workers gained protection against unjust dismissal, and courts extended these protections to non-union workers under the “implicit contract” doctrine.

(full article)

http://ourfuture.org/20140528/cut-throat-capitalism-welcome-to-the-gig-economy

Unfortunately, liberals who support this libertarian economic model are too intellectually lazy to read this article because they're affraid of what they might find: they've been duped by the billionaire class just as their Republican counterparts have been for decades.

Meanwhile, Chicago cab drivers shut down service to both airports for 2 hours yesterday to protest Mayor Rahm Emmanuel's proposal to open the airports to Uber.

Follow the money:
Mayor Rahm Emmanuel is shilling for his multi-millionaire and billionaire cronies, his brother, Hollywood mogul Ari Emmanuel, and Amazon's Jeff Bezos, both of whom, among others, are heavily invested in Uber.

Full-Time Uber drivers are fools. One should read their complaints forum and lawsuit page. They're underinsured, responsible for their own maintenance (that's huge driving on Chicago roads), underwater on auto lease payments TO UBER, chasing an illusion that they'll make upto $5000/week as Uber has advertised. Do they even know Uber is in a furious race to replace them with self-driving cars?

There are 6 main reasons your Uber driver isn't driving a cab:

1. They're too lazy to take the city mandated chauffeur class and exam
2. They are reckless and have a terrible driving record and can't get a job driving a cab
3. They have DUIs
4. They can't pass a criminal background check
5. They can't pass drug tests
6. They can't pass a physical exam

"Uber might already be reducing DUIs" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #1
I like uber. Great company. yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #6
Uber exploits desperate workers philosslayer Sep 2015 #64
So do cab companies Recursion Sep 2015 #66
Fascinating! Tell me how all of this works WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #140
hahahahahaha MFrohike Sep 2015 #174
Want to talk about what the medallion owners have done to DC city politics? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #175
Sure MFrohike Sep 2015 #176
Well then we agree that both are bad Recursion Sep 2015 #177
That'd be a good step MFrohike Sep 2015 #178
Like a mileage pro-rate or something? Recursion Sep 2015 #179
Yes and I have no idea MFrohike Sep 2015 #183
That's about the only good thing about Uber. Initech Sep 2015 #25
Uber boober. Time to roll or drunk or snatch a purse... Any reports on this kind of crap by their lonestarnot Sep 2015 #27
yes. mopinko Sep 2015 #166
Paychecks are direct deposited Egnever Sep 2015 #34
I got charged $200 after accepting what should have been a $45 ride. Initech Sep 2015 #51
Sounds like a glitch Egnever Sep 2015 #118
Screw cabs. I'm tired of rides being refused and arbitrary rates Recursion Sep 2015 #57
Yeah kind of one of those pick your poison kind of things. Initech Sep 2015 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author MohRokTah Sep 2015 #95
Neither do cab companies Recursion Sep 2015 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author MohRokTah Sep 2015 #98
In South Korea they have companies (other than Uber) where you can call davidpdx Sep 2015 #40
India has that. Recursion Sep 2015 #59
That's pretty sweet. Initech Sep 2015 #93
It is a great resource for that treestar Sep 2015 #69
"modest" hotel tax? unblock Sep 2015 #2
Uber pays taxes and is subject to whatever regulation Egnever Sep 2015 #3
The article is from The Guardian KamaAina Sep 2015 #8
Doesn't mean they are immune to it Egnever Sep 2015 #15
No. they do not. alarimer Sep 2015 #12
How do you figure that? Egnever Sep 2015 #14
When companies define workers as contractors csziggy Sep 2015 #23
Well Egnever Sep 2015 #30
You know cab companies do that too, right? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #52
Yes, and newspapers do it to their delivery people csziggy Sep 2015 #101
So how is Uber the problem here? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #113
You're hilarious! Please explain!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #142
Cab drivers are 1099s, not W2s Recursion Sep 2015 #143
I'll be damned, you know one thing! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #146
Why are you astroturfing for millionaire medallion owners? Recursion Sep 2015 #148
Workers' Comp comes to mind. n/t Iris Sep 2015 #24
Yup Egnever Sep 2015 #33
OK, while I'm largely pro-Uber I definitely agree on that Recursion Sep 2015 #68
Does Uber supply car insurance for its drivers? dflprincess Sep 2015 #26
The driver has to cary their own insurance Egnever Sep 2015 #35
From pick up to drop off, yes Recursion Sep 2015 #61
Almost every taxi company 1099's their drivers as contractors Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #39
Name me a taxi company in the US that has W2 drivers Recursion Sep 2015 #62
Uber is indeed subject to regulation gratuitous Sep 2015 #13
How do we know their tires are any good, or the steering wheel steers? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #28
The cars are inspected Egnever Sep 2015 #32
Who inspects them? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #130
The same mechanics who inspect cabs Recursion Sep 2015 #133
Not in TX, AZ and I see cabbies around here that don't appear to have passed any kind of rigorous lonestarnot Sep 2015 #135
Because it has an inspection sticker? Recursion Sep 2015 #63
LOL a sticker. ROFLMAO. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #131
Do you have an issue with your state's vehicle inspection regime? (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #132
I'm not so sure. My ass gets chapped when I take the car to get emission tested and give them money lonestarnot Sep 2015 #134
So how are cabs any better than Uber as far as that goes? Recursion Sep 2015 #136
I honestly do not know. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #167
No Recursion Sep 2015 #168
Well then they need to create one. lonestarnot Sep 2015 #169
I'm all for it. They should join with Uber drivers. I bet the Teamsters would take them (nt) Recursion Sep 2015 #170
I bet they would too! lonestarnot Sep 2015 #173
they are the equivalent of day laborers hanging around outside Home Depot nt msongs Sep 2015 #4
I couldn't care less about voluntary exchanges. TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #5
AirBnB in particular has had negative effects besides taxation KamaAina Sep 2015 #7
Maybe the tax laws should be changed. lunatica Sep 2015 #9
I hear ya! KamaAina Sep 2015 #10
So? I'm not seeing a problem here. TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #18
The homes are zoned residential. KamaAina Sep 2015 #19
Then wouldn't it already be against the law? Adrahil Sep 2015 #42
They are breaking the law. Tax free, regulation free. Undercutting businesses who HAVE to: KittyWampus Sep 2015 #76
So you want to outlaw all contract work... TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #78
If you hire a gardener and they hit your gas line and your house blows up... KittyWampus Sep 2015 #81
So was correct - you want to outlaw contract work. TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #82
Reading through this thread, that seems to be one issue. Contractors or self employed uppityperson Sep 2015 #105
If they are breaking the law, I'd expect the law to do something about it. Adrahil Sep 2015 #104
I agree - Just ignore stupid laws TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #119
As I happily live in a city without zoning, kentauros Sep 2015 #109
SF has thousands upon thousands of designated live/work units KamaAina Sep 2015 #111
Okay, I understand stuff like that. kentauros Sep 2015 #112
Get a mailbox for the business? KamaAina Sep 2015 #114
And that's true as to what cities care about. kentauros Sep 2015 #115
You sound like a Libertarian philosslayer Sep 2015 #70
Name calling? TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #77
Yeah, except living and let living isn't happening. nichomachus Sep 2015 #128
Uber violates legal protections for workers mythology Sep 2015 #53
Care all you want... TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #74
No different from existing cab companies. You understand that, right? nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #90
You COULDN'T care less... tenderfoot Sep 2015 #67
Lol! :) TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #75
LOL! tenderfoot Sep 2015 #94
I think you mean "couldn't care less". Nt Logical Sep 2015 #84
They're great if you like no regulation alarimer Sep 2015 #11
Like taxis are great... GummyBearz Sep 2015 #17
I have never had that happen Skittles Sep 2015 #36
I've had it happen numerous times GummyBearz Sep 2015 #37
I sure have. Adrahil Sep 2015 #43
I have. Our local Yellow Cab drivers are total sleazeballs. Lyric Sep 2015 #46
you have a city problem Skittles Sep 2015 #125
City politicians are usually beholden to medallion owners Recursion Sep 2015 #137
I literally do not believe you Recursion Sep 2015 #55
IMHO "No tax is a good tax". nt clarice Sep 2015 #16
Oh really? philosslayer Sep 2015 #71
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #20
You will no doubt be pleased to hear that cab drivers are organizing KamaAina Sep 2015 #21
Hopefully they organize to be better.... Adrahil Sep 2015 #44
+1000000000 nt Lyric Sep 2015 #47
You will be sad to learn no cab driver in the US has a collective bargaining agreement Recursion Sep 2015 #54
I like to know the cost of a ride at least by the time I end it. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2015 #22
Nice scam, guys! KamaAina Sep 2015 #29
You get an estimate before you accept the ride Egnever Sep 2015 #31
I get an estimate when I enter the destination Recursion Sep 2015 #65
Uber is crap. I'm torn on Air BnB Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #38
your friend could have rented a room on a longer term basis and been legal and not screwed over KittyWampus Sep 2015 #79
Long term rental pays less and generally Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #83
Most locals have limits on how many times you can rent a room KittyWampus Sep 2015 #88
In his area it's perfectly legal and called a "honestay" Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #99
They said it was legal, and they could've made less money by not renting at all. Hardly a compelling uppityperson Sep 2015 #107
I have used AirBnB here in Korea a few times davidpdx Sep 2015 #41
Interesting thought treestar Sep 2015 #72
It's all about driving while uninsured..... HickFromTheTick Sep 2015 #45
Just completely wrong Egnever Sep 2015 #154
What gets me about these sharing businesses... randome Sep 2015 #48
The reality is.... Adrahil Sep 2015 #49
It is not "competition", they are not playing on the same field. Darb Sep 2015 #73
Just an excuse.... Adrahil Sep 2015 #103
I've yet to hear a way medallions are better for drivers Recursion Sep 2015 #56
Well, they SHOULD be unionized. But adding more exploited workers to the pool is not the answer. randome Sep 2015 #58
They have to be employees first Recursion Sep 2015 #60
If taxis and hotels were better options, then we wouldn't be having this discussion FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #50
When they get regulated like the old business models, then we will see Darb Sep 2015 #80
There is virtually no difference between Cab companies and Uber. Hotels and airbnb is a different stevenleser Sep 2015 #91
Apples and oranges steven. Darb Sep 2015 #121
The owner of the property cleans the airb&b rooms. stevenleser Sep 2015 #123
Uber pays the same taxes as a fleet car service, not as taxis Recursion Sep 2015 #138
Where in the taxi regulations does it state they use POS cars and surly drivers FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #124
I love airbnb. Best trips ever and cheaper. Nt Logical Sep 2015 #85
You you aren't actually a Progressive then. You are a Libertarian. Good to know. KittyWampus Sep 2015 #89
LOL, you are funny..... Logical Sep 2015 #96
Rather than going on a trip and spending money there, staying home is better for local uppityperson Sep 2015 #108
the choice isn't between not going on a trip or staying at a libertarian, anti-government airB&B KittyWampus Sep 2015 #126
True, that was not my choice. My choice was stay at an Airbnb and spend money locally or not go. uppityperson Sep 2015 #129
Air BNB is nothing new Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #127
Article is plant by hotel lobbying group rafeh1 Sep 2015 #86
Sharing is awesome - TBF Sep 2015 #87
yeah especially when employees "share" the costs ibegurpard Sep 2015 #160
As a socialist I see it all the time TBF Sep 2015 #165
We're AirBnB hosts and have been for six years. GoneOffShore Sep 2015 #100
I used Airbnb and supported the economy where I visited by buying food, museum fees, etc uppityperson Sep 2015 #102
As noted above, 1939 Sep 2015 #110
Wait until we get self-driving cars LittleBlue Sep 2015 #106
Few big employers left; none coming Cayenne Sep 2015 #116
Not true in Uber's home of San Francisco KamaAina Sep 2015 #117
How many does Twitter actually employ? Cayenne Sep 2015 #120
And all the average people are moving out. Darb Sep 2015 #122
Uber users are ignorant, especially liberal Uber users WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #139
LOL you think cab drivers pass criminal background checks Recursion Sep 2015 #144
Obviously, none of this was covered during your training WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #145
It's not "160,000 drivers" Recursion Sep 2015 #149
Yes, that's how CLASS ACTION lawsuits work WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #150
But not for all 160,000 Recursion Sep 2015 #151
They taught you something at Uber University WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #152
Does it make you feel better to pretend people who disagree with you have to be paid to do so? Recursion Sep 2015 #153
Your youth and naivety is glaring... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #155
Mayor's $65 million giveaway to $50 billion company WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #156
this one is all about private-sector solutions for everything ibegurpard Sep 2015 #161
All this voluntary action has to stop! TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #158
oh you like picking up the cost of the business? ibegurpard Sep 2015 #162
No, I'm agreeing with you. TampaAnimusVortex Sep 2015 #163
How does the cab industry work and how does Uber solve it? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #141
I'm hardly promoting it. KamaAina Sep 2015 #157
Now we need an app to find other services that are overpriced on the commercial side. Sunlei Sep 2015 #147
People are crazy to support or "work for" a company like this. ibegurpard Sep 2015 #159
The selfish attitudes on this thread illustrate why union membership has dwindled. U4ikLefty Sep 2015 #164
100 percent in agreement. no empathy no sense no care no brain. nt JanMichael Sep 2015 #182
Uber promises $25/hr delivers under $3 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Sep 2015 #171
It's worse than it sounds. KamaAina Sep 2015 #172
ad bad as Taxis can be DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #180
Uber is just one more below minimum wage job with no benefits nm Teamster Jeff Sep 2015 #181
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