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beevul

(12,194 posts)
65. Thats not what your link says.
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

Your link says gun control states have a lower rate, not less violence.

Those are two far far different things.


The fact is, the states with the gun control have the lions share of gun violence in absolute undiluted-by-population numbers (as opposed to rates).

Fact Kang Colby Oct 2015 #1
The fact is that, with our porous state borders, only gun control at the federal level will work. PSPS Oct 2015 #4
Explain then why the surrounding areas with more gun freedom have less violent crime? Kang Colby Oct 2015 #6
What you're claiming is simply not true leftynyc Oct 2015 #9
Oh it's true. Your source includes suicide data. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #20
You don't consider blowing leftynyc Oct 2015 #22
People like you are trying to convince folks... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #25
All I've said is that I'm for leftynyc Oct 2015 #92
States aren't always the best for comparative analysis. branford Oct 2015 #37
Thats not what your link says. beevul Oct 2015 #65
Here's another chart that proves you wrong leftynyc Oct 2015 #17
See my earlier posts. n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #31
Please don't let your facts get in the way Nevernose Oct 2015 #67
It's the dishonest leftynyc Oct 2015 #93
Rates are not absolute numbers. beevul Oct 2015 #68
Maybe you should try asking the right people. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #53
Cool. But that's just your opinion. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #54
It's a mistake to think of the two as distinct entities. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #60
How about Gotham residents stop killing each other? n/t Kang Colby Oct 2015 #61
How about teenagers stop having sex? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #72
Ridiculous comparison. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #74
The need to eat is a biological necessity. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #95
"If Gothamites can't get guns in Gotham, then they'll get them from Green Acres." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #98
When the price is right. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #103
"federal legislation that severely limits the availability...and makes the illicit trade prohibitive Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #104
So, Detroit, Oakland and Baltimore have an extreme violence problem, branford Oct 2015 #8
The only restrictions leftynyc Oct 2015 #12
I believe we engaged in this discussion before, and yes, I support UBC's branford Oct 2015 #18
No - it'll never be passed leftynyc Oct 2015 #21
Wyoming has a higher per capita rate of gun deaths than onenote Oct 2015 #23
Wyoming has a higher per capita rate of gun deaths TeddyR Oct 2015 #56
It has a high suicide rate but low murder rate. Nt hack89 Oct 2015 #76
How did Iowa get mixed up with this? stone space Oct 2015 #102
So everyone has to suffer because Chicago and Baltimore are out of control? davidn3600 Oct 2015 #13
Define "suffer" frylock Oct 2015 #47
I wouldn't use the word "suffer" TeddyR Oct 2015 #57
Agreed. Gun crime is about poverty, gangs and drug trafficking LittleBlue Oct 2015 #32
Agreed. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #34
I doubt the results, but fact is, people with gunz are intimidaters, quite often racists, more Hoyt Oct 2015 #58
Are the inner city black gang members who are shooting and killing Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #80
My opinion is that those buying most of the gunz are racists afraid of what Hoyt Oct 2015 #81
I forget, Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #82
You are the one that keeps mentioning inner city gangs in support of your gunz. Hoyt Oct 2015 #84
So you agree with my post? Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #85
White guys walking down the street with a gun on their hip in case mobs of Hoyt Oct 2015 #94
No surprise from "a leading conservative and libertarian legal theorist.." villager Oct 2015 #2
Volokh is cited all the time by people across the political spectrum, including SCOTUS, branford Oct 2015 #3
His analysis, is, of course, shaded by his vantage point going in. villager Oct 2015 #7
You can read his short blog post as well as I. branford Oct 2015 #10
You may be no Volokh yourself, to be sure, but here's how we can tell how disingenuous your posts villager Oct 2015 #15
So, I assume you have nothing to offer in substantive rebuttal to Volokh's analysis. branford Oct 2015 #26
Here's FactCheck.org on the AWB. villager Oct 2015 #28
After reading my entire post, in a general discussion about correlation between gun laws branford Oct 2015 #33
Your perceptions were to cherry pick what I meant. villager Oct 2015 #55
I could care less about the NRA. branford Oct 2015 #62
Again, you debase yourself villager Oct 2015 #64
And this is what the gun control movement has come down to. GGJohn Oct 2015 #69
I love this stuff ryan_cats Oct 2015 #11
The writer is a well-known right-leaning legal commentator. villager Oct 2015 #16
Did ryan_cats Oct 2015 #19
Don't villager Oct 2015 #24
Not a reply but a question ryan_cats Oct 2015 #78
Not really a question, but a snark. villager Oct 2015 #79
It's the efficiency stupid!! loyalsister Oct 2015 #5
If guns are as efficient as you claim, the correlation should be obvious, but it's not. branford Oct 2015 #14
10s of millions loyalsister Oct 2015 #27
So, your argument is that with gun control, branford Oct 2015 #29
Math loyalsister Oct 2015 #39
If the fatalities are lower without guns, other comparable western countries branford Oct 2015 #42
"other comparable western countries would have lower incidences of successful suicide attempts" loyalsister Oct 2015 #59
If the USA is not culturally comparable to these other western countries, branford Oct 2015 #63
The citizens of those countries care about the common good loyalsister Oct 2015 #66
Your solution to firearm violence and other issues in the USA branford Oct 2015 #75
I'm saying that if there was a little less loyalsister Oct 2015 #77
Eugene Volokh? Give me a fucking BREAK! Paladin Oct 2015 #30
Do you ever wonder why gun control is losing so badly in the courts, Congress and public opinion? branford Oct 2015 #35
It's not working any more. No wonder you people are terrified. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #36
Yea, I'm near catatonic with terror over the incoming wave of gun control... branford Oct 2015 #38
Which Democratic candidate are you backing for President? (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #40
What does that have to do with the thread? GGJohn Oct 2015 #44
Who asked you for your lame-assed opinion? Paladin Oct 2015 #48
Maybe you missed it, GGJohn Oct 2015 #49
That wasn't an opinion, it was a statement of fact. beevul Oct 2015 #70
I am currently backing Bernie, but would probably switch to Biden if he runs. branford Oct 2015 #45
Terrified? GGJohn Oct 2015 #43
It's not working any more. Paladin Oct 2015 #50
What? The truth? GGJohn Oct 2015 #51
How would they even know if it was? N/T beevul Oct 2015 #71
Nonsense. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #106
You're entitled to your beliefs. (nt) Paladin Oct 2015 #107
Gun ownership rates PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #41
Do you have a strategy to repeal the Second Amendment, 44 state equivalents, branford Oct 2015 #46
No, they don't. Kang Colby Oct 2015 #52
Quid pro quo Kotya Oct 2015 #97
And I'm the Queen of England. All hail the queen. n/t Aerows Oct 2015 #73
Stupid article, stupid premise. Stupid conclusion. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2015 #83
So, you're not allowed to count states with large violent cities branford Oct 2015 #86
Clearly there are other factors involved there than gun laws Spider Jerusalem Oct 2015 #87
Then discuss what particular factors you believe Volokh didn't consider, branford Oct 2015 #88
Urban poverty, gang violence, population density, a number of factors Spider Jerusalem Oct 2015 #90
Volokh doesn't claim to be a sociologist or criminologist. branford Oct 2015 #91
repuke agrees with the NRA Skittles Oct 2015 #89
Take away Volokh's grad degrees, reduce his vocabulary to 2nd-grade level: Paladin Oct 2015 #96
LOL Skittles Oct 2015 #105
This just means they need to be banned in all states. geomon666 Oct 2015 #99
I think the problem is that the affect of gun laws is hidden by the fact that urban states have karynnj Oct 2015 #100
Eugene Volohk is a Libertarian hack kcr Oct 2015 #101
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