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X_Digger

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71. Here are the numbers, as best as I can compute them (sources inline)..
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 06:55 PM
Nov 2015

BJS's firearms used in crime '93-'11 - 478,000 (2011) -- http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

There were about 20,000 firearm suicides in the most recent year that the CDC has released numbers (2013) - http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html

There were about 84,000 non-fatal firearm injuries in that same year-- http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfirates2001.html

How many guns are there in the US? Well, since 1998 when NICS came on line, there have been background checks for over 220,000,000 transactions. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf For clarity sake, let's assume 1 check = 1 firearm. If we assume a firearm has a typical lifetime of 25 years, and the number of checks is somewhat representative, then in the last 25 years, there would have been another 50-80 million firearms changing hands. So the total number of guns is somewhere between 270,000,000 and 300,000,000. Let's use the middle at 285,000,000.

How many firearm owners are there? That's where it gets tricky. Self-reported numbers vary. Gallup puts the percentage at 41% - http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx, households number at about 123,000,000 ( http://www.statista.com/statistics/183635/number-of-households-in-the-us/ ) and the population is about 318 million (https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=kf7tgg1uo9ude_&met_y=population&idim=country:US&hl=en&dl=en). Looks to be about 130,000,000 gun owners or 50,000,000 households.

Okay, given those numbers, the odds of any gun being used in a crime, suicide, or non-fatal injury are 582,000 / 285,000,000 or 0.21%. The odds of any gun owner being involved in any of the above (assuming even distribution, which is silly) is 582,000 / 130,000,000 or 0.45%.

So 99.79% of guns will not be used in any gun crime, suicide, or non-fatal firearm injury and 99.55% of gun owners will not be involved in any gun crime, suicide, or non-fatal firearm injury.

What's with the flamebait theads today? eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #1
Four gun threads in one day by a poster with <500 posts? That question answers itself. nt cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #3
Makes one wonder. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #6
What's To Wonder - Another Day - Another Terrorist Act By Crazy Well Armed American Whackjob Yallow Nov 2015 #14
Yet I don't see nearly the concern from you for those that die by alcohol related deaths. GGJohn Nov 2015 #16
As I Do - What Is Reasonable? Yallow Nov 2015 #20
"As I Do - What Is Reasonable?" GGJohn Nov 2015 #23
I never get tired of posting the Democratic Platform about firearms. branford Nov 2015 #21
And once again silence from the OP Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #28
Yep TeddyR Nov 2015 #58
It's disturbing when the positions of the NRA are closer to the Democratic Platform than the OP. nt branford Nov 2015 #63
Perhaps the OP's position TeddyR Nov 2015 #74
I long ago learned to recognize the difference between true liberal Democrats branford Nov 2015 #77
I think the OP has an appointment with a few billy goats later, on a bridge. n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #5
LOL. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #7
Not flamebait. Gunners should be embarrassed about their bad gun habits Hoyt Nov 2015 #11
The only one who should be embarrassed is an ex armed robber who..... GGJohn Nov 2015 #13
Sounds like someone Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #27
Oh yeah, that's exactly what's happening here. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #31
As part of the 2/3rds DBoon Nov 2015 #108
Maybe you should read the whole thread, GGJohn Nov 2015 #109
Don't live in fear? Facility Inspector Nov 2015 #2
But it is the gun owners who are living in fear. Why the FUCK would they need an arsenal if madinmaryland Nov 2015 #80
Lets see, I own several firearms. I don't own them out of fear, I really enjoy shooting them at the Waldorf Nov 2015 #81
Why do people like you always assume that those of us who have firearms GGJohn Nov 2015 #82
Lol! Squinch Nov 2015 #89
Glad you can laugh at yourself. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #92
That doesn't even make sense. But whatever. Squinch Nov 2015 #96
Neither did your previous post. GGJohn Nov 2015 #99
Well. It did to me and to the non-gungeoners who will read it. Squinch Nov 2015 #100
Oh, I get it, GGJohn Nov 2015 #102
No, just logical. Clearly there is not a lot of self-eflection going on with the gungeoners. Squinch Nov 2015 #103
Just logical? GGJohn Nov 2015 #104
That's nice, dear. But you also think any hint of a suggestion about reducing the availability Squinch Nov 2015 #106
Reductions by bans and confiscation? GGJohn Nov 2015 #107
Imagine my heartbreak. Nighty night, gungeon guy. See you next time there is Squinch Nov 2015 #111
Oh, don't worry, I'm not just in the RKBA group, GGJohn Nov 2015 #112
How condescending of you Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #128
"Dear" bothers you? People minding their own business getting slaughtered by guns bothers me. Squinch Nov 2015 #167
Hint of a suggestion? Straw Man Nov 2015 #153
You poor gungeon things. Is someone saying mean things to you? Just because there was another Squinch Nov 2015 #168
I'm curious, GGJohn Nov 2015 #170
Just what I thought. Straw Man Nov 2015 #172
Elitist attitudes on display sarisataka Nov 2015 #124
LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #125
All you guys crawl out of the woodwork Squinch Nov 2015 #169
And all you guys and girls crawl out of the woodwork and attack us every time there's another GGJohn Nov 2015 #171
See you and your civil friends next time there's a massacre, when you crawl out of the woodwork and Squinch Nov 2015 #173
I rest my case. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #175
Post a single link sarisataka Nov 2015 #174
+1000. GGJohn Nov 2015 #176
I have several firearms Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #127
Some fears are well founded DBoon Nov 2015 #113
The vast majority are unlikely to do any such thing. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #4
Please Doctor atreides1 Nov 2015 #8
If you are living in fear Egnever Nov 2015 #9
How does this thread fail? Let me count the ways... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #10
I don't live in fear of gunowners NobodyHere Nov 2015 #12
Time will take care of this. onehandle Nov 2015 #15
Tick tock? GGJohn Nov 2015 #17
Laughing about gun violence is a thumb on that scale. onehandle Nov 2015 #19
Au Contraire, GGJohn Nov 2015 #21
The greatest predictor of future behavior, is past behavior... virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #67
Real life grave dancing at a liberal forum. onehandle Nov 2015 #120
Grave dancing? GGJohn Nov 2015 #123
Huh? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #146
In another thread, you claim to be a gun owner. branford Nov 2015 #18
Nothing In Constitution Guarantees Angry Crazy People Can Have AK-47's Yallow Nov 2015 #25
And I am sure you know Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #29
Your willful ignorance of the Constitution is truly astounding. branford Nov 2015 #30
33,000 Dead Is No Statistical Anomality Yallow Nov 2015 #32
It will never be possible to keep all guns out of the hands of all mentally challenged people. GGJohn Nov 2015 #34
Around 35,000 - 49,000 people die from the 'flu every year in US. REP Nov 2015 #36
Out of 332 million? 1 percent if that. Not good but other problems in the country account for much yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #37
What percentage of legal gun owners are responsible for gun crime or deaths? branford Nov 2015 #38
Here are the numbers, as best as I can compute them (sources inline).. X_Digger Nov 2015 #71
Good analysis. branford Nov 2015 #73
The dead are just martyrs sacrificing their lives for the second amendment DBoon Nov 2015 #114
Gun control does not "limit constitutional protections" brentspeak Nov 2015 #83
Sigh... branford Nov 2015 #122
Hardly anyone is ever adjudicated as being a danger to themselves or others brentspeak Nov 2015 #129
Huh? branford Nov 2015 #134
So then the mother should not have been allowed have those weapons in the house brentspeak Nov 2015 #139
No. GGJohn Nov 2015 #141
I would have no issue with that. n/t brentspeak Nov 2015 #143
No. branford Nov 2015 #147
You have not demonstrated that brentspeak Nov 2015 #148
Ah, the old people who disagree with me are not liberal or real Democrats, branford Nov 2015 #150
The "old people"? brentspeak Nov 2015 #165
Lanza used his mother's firearms. And a direct person-to-person background check is not Waldorf Nov 2015 #135
NICS checks are not adequate brentspeak Nov 2015 #140
We have NICS. It works. It would work better if mental health issues were used in it, but thats Waldorf Nov 2015 #142
You keep saying you would "wait years" for approval brentspeak Nov 2015 #144
Yes I seem to remember a lady Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #157
She died because some psycho stabbed her to death brentspeak Nov 2015 #164
I haven't seen tanks or RPGs used in any crimes in the US TeddyR Nov 2015 #60
I seem to remember a stolen national guard M60 Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #130
Yep, I saw that movie also. GGJohn Nov 2015 #133
only person killed was the perp Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #158
Ooops, my bad. GGJohn Nov 2015 #161
Thank you, I missed that connection. uppityperson Nov 2015 #44
Anyone who shoots animals for "fun" is, IMO GGJohn Nov 2015 #45
Yep Yallow Nov 2015 #46
Well, GGJohn Nov 2015 #51
Yup.eom uppityperson Nov 2015 #52
I agree. branford Nov 2015 #61
I agree. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #64
Inflammatory language solves nothing. Eom uppityperson Nov 2015 #24
I fear you LittleBlue Nov 2015 #26
Absolutely Yallow Nov 2015 #33
Yes, the needle is moving, GGJohn Nov 2015 #35
Don't forget the firearm right-to-carry GIF branford Nov 2015 #40
Unless you explain to us how you have Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #49
Because 1/3 does not seem to give a shit. JanMichael Nov 2015 #39
More utter bullshit. GGJohn Nov 2015 #41
BS right back at you. We have too damned many in crazy hands in this country. JanMichael Nov 2015 #42
Ooooh, the inevitable penis reference. GGJohn Nov 2015 #43
Some have male genitalia on the brain it would seem. Can't get it out of their minds or imagination. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #70
It is both mental and physical. I mean dick or vagina size mental and physical retardation. JanMichael Nov 2015 #85
Of course they don't DBoon Nov 2015 #115
WTF does the NRA have to do with this? GGJohn Nov 2015 #117
How many gun crimes do you think were committed this weekend TeddyR Nov 2015 #62
Focus On These Criminals Fine - Focus On All Other Criminals Too - Wall Street Yallow Nov 2015 #75
I take it you are a Donald Trump supporter, Yallow? NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #47
Right. An authoritarian state. Like Australia. Squinch Nov 2015 #84
I always laugh when I see this type of reply. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #118
I live in bear country where people outside the city need their guns Warpy Nov 2015 #48
In Bear Country You Need Protection Yallow Nov 2015 #53
Agree!!! Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #57
How many people are forced to shoot a bear? rickford66 Nov 2015 #78
Mostly, they chase the bear away from their property Warpy Nov 2015 #119
Ban them all I say....gunz kill people! ileus Nov 2015 #50
Speaking of irrational fear... TipTok Nov 2015 #54
Because of the firearms industry, elleng Nov 2015 #55
Yallow, of course you are right that something needs to change. Squinch Nov 2015 #56
So what do you propose? TeddyR Nov 2015 #66
Hyperbole. Squinch Nov 2015 #76
the cowards come out of the woodwork at the mere SUGGESTION we may have a problem Skittles Nov 2015 #93
Yeah, we're all cowards because we oppose bans and confiscation. GGJohn Nov 2015 #94
Very fearful. Who knows what does this to people, but there you are. Squinch Nov 2015 #98
ibtl yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #59
I live in loathing of them, not in fear of them. Iggo Nov 2015 #65
As long as you don't attempt to use your "loathing" TeddyR Nov 2015 #68
I'll hate away either way, thanks. Iggo Nov 2015 #69
Works for me TeddyR Nov 2015 #72
Sorry but I and the other 80-100 million gun owners have decided to keep our firearms. Waldorf Nov 2015 #79
GUN HUMPERS HAVE WON Skittles Nov 2015 #86
Sorry, but none of my firearms have been bought out of fear or paranoia. I enjoy collecting them, Waldorf Nov 2015 #88
GUN HUMPERS HAVE WON Skittles Nov 2015 #91
Wow, gun humpers now in capital letters. Funny, I don't see any of the gun owners in this Waldorf Nov 2015 #95
IT WAS IN CAPITAL LETTERS BEFORE Skittles Nov 2015 #97
I wasn't the one arguing. Waldorf Nov 2015 #101
Naw man, you can keep cattle and pigs on other folks land and go in half. ileus Nov 2015 #105
Last season (Most recent) our cattleman got more than Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #160
Insults are all the have Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #131
And they celebrate murder onehandle Nov 2015 #121
Who does? Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #132
Link, or it's bullshit friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #137
It's bullshit, GGJohn Nov 2015 #145
Who is celebrating murder? I have not seen such a post. Waldorf Nov 2015 #138
Nor will you, as that claim is as bullshit as Trump's "Muslims cheered in Jersey City"... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #149
Lets call it what it is Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #159
and the rest of us will just have to live with periodic gun massacres DBoon Nov 2015 #110
I wasn't aware ... Straw Man Nov 2015 #155
Then you own the murders, suicides, accidents, and terrorist attacks. MillennialDem Nov 2015 #156
Nope, no I don't. The people who own those terrible things you mentioned are the ones who committed Waldorf Nov 2015 #166
Yeah you do as an accessory. If you didn't you'd be willing to disarm. MillennialDem Dec 2015 #177
Again, nope. The people who do this type of thing are the responsible ones. No, I will continue Waldorf Dec 2015 #178
So it's not our fault at all when we've armed terrorists in the middle east or MillennialDem Dec 2015 #179
Why would you want the 2/3 to live in fear? ManiacJoe Nov 2015 #87
Melt teh GUNZ!!11!1 aikoaiko Nov 2015 #90
*sighs* darkangel218 Nov 2015 #116
I don't live in fear. I'm not afraid to die. I'm Australian. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #126
I see no use for handguns Aerows Nov 2015 #136
I see a lower Constitutional protection for handguns, too. Recursion Nov 2015 #152
Homicide rates are lower now than at any point in the 20th century Recursion Nov 2015 #151
The problem is we don't all know it. People snap all the time. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #154
Same with cars Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #162
We shouldn't, and we don't. Captain Stern Nov 2015 #163
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